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Old 04-08-2013, 11:47 AM   #16786
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When racing i just shift all gears up and down without cluth from 2 gear up (when i need). No damage i believe as shift is smooth as possible.

In weekend raids I just shift using cluth more often.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:58 PM   #16787
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Clutch use is a learned skill, if you are riding competitively it can make big difference (On starts, brake turning into corners riding a gear high out of corners speed shifting , rough rocky sections ect
I love my clutch.
I am skeptical if a recluse could withstand the 650r power and same riding technique?
It will, I raced Supermoto with my CRF450R with a Rekluse and it not only got me a holeshot every time and eliminated stalling, but the stock clutch plates lasted over 8 years! Clutch use is a skill, but the Rekluse allows you to use that brain power for racing!
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:01 PM   #16788
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WHy do you clutch every shift when the only proven effect in doing so is wearing out clutch components.
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Easy on the roids Cryp nobody is trying to encourage anyone on clutch usage. You made the asinine statement that apparently those of us that choose to ride a different way then u must either not ride enough or are misinformed somehow. Maybe spend 2 minutes doing a Google search on shifting a dirt bike without using the clutch and see what you come up with, ie some do some don't just like here
Roids? I could go for some good roids right now, my body is feeling pretty shot right now.

Sorry, but one asanine statement will lead to another.

I would much rather buy a bike that has had a lot of clutch use and less low rpm lugging, than a bike with a hardly used clutch and toasted connecting rod.

I have sat on the starting line of many races and watched how different people handle starts and such. Some will bang through gears clearly without any clutch, some are much smoother and its hard to tell what exactly they are doing, but I assume they are using the clutch. In the end, I don't think any desert race has been won because of clutch use. However, many races have been lost due to a broken bike. And if I had to bet, my money would be on those using a clutch to finish.

I don't beat my wife, and I don't stomp through gears without a clutch that is 1" from my finger. However, my wife is anti-clutch in her car and it is carrying over to the bike. So some beatings may be in order.

If you watch On Any Sunday, you will notice many different styles, and seldom do you see people with a hand on the clutch, but if you watch Malcom Smith, he always has one finger on the clutch.
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:57 PM   #16789
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Yeah, not alot of posts here, but enough experience on bikes. I generally use the clutch, but sometimes not. Had a DR650SE that I bought with 12k and put another 32k on it. HARD use... It would wheelie on throttle in 2nd, but I'd clutch it up more often than not, then shift with the front up to 3rd, 4th, and at times 5th...with no clutch just as slick and smooth as can be. Had the motor apart due to improper assembly (post and photos on TT) at about 28k and the clutch pack looked almost new, was going to replace it but it didn't need it. Used Shell Rotella T 15w-40 and if you look at the photos the inside of the motor was really clean, zero wear on anything (except for the out of place washer that should have been on the end of the main gear cluster, but had fallen out and the SIDE of the 1st main gear which was spinning AGAINST the washer. One tough bike, loved the little bugger!) Change your oil and ride the way you like...just try and be smooth is my $.02
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:07 PM   #16790
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Found some photos...

The side of 1st



The washer after a lot of hard miles...



I had a magnetic drain plug, and there only was the smallest bit stuck to the magnet when I changed the oil, which I thought was from me abusing the clutch...
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:08 PM   #16791
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Yeah, not alot of posts here, but enough experience on bikes. I generally use the clutch, but sometimes not. Had a DR650SE that I bought with 12k and put another 32k on it. HARD use... It would wheelie on throttle in 2nd, but I'd clutch it up more often than not, then shift with the front up to 3rd, 4th, and at times 5th...with no clutch just as slick and smooth as can be. Had the motor apart due to improper assembly (post and photos on TT) at about 28k and the clutch pack looked almost new, was going to replace it but it didn't need it. Used Shell Rotella T 15w-40 and if you look at the photos the inside of the motor was really clean, zero wear on anything (except for the out of place washer that should have been on the end of the main gear cluster, but had fallen out and the SIDE of the 1st main gear which was spinning AGAINST the washer. One tough bike, loved the little bugger!) Change your oil and ride the way you like...just try and be smooth is my $.02
What was your typical drain interval?

Isn't that oil for diesels?
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:16 PM   #16792
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What was your typical drain interval?

Isn't that oil for diesels?
About every 2k maybe 2.5k, It would go from smooth shifting (with clutch) to kinda notchy so I'd drain it, new filter and swap air filters. Had two Twin Air's...

Yep Diesel engine oil, run it in everything...my 1991 Jetta diesel has almost 600k, 1994 Chevy truck has 345k (V6 5speed is why I keep it), The DR, my XRR.....
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:42 PM   #16793
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we are going to have 40 pages of to clutch or not to clutch. I think you boys need to go have a beer and let it be.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:03 PM   #16794
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we are going to have 40 pages of to clutch or not to clutch. I think you boys need to go have a beer and let it be.
Yeah, lets discuss oil
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:43 AM   #16795
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why should u buy a xr650 and not a klr650?? ... Been doing some homework but curious to hear from experience...
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:55 AM   #16796
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there not the same bike nothing like each other
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:37 AM   #16797
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there not the same bike nothing like each other
that's a superb observation
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:49 AM   #16798
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that's a superb observation
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:51 AM   #16799
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Yeah, lets discuss oil
My thoughts exactly!

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Isn't that oil for diesels?
Correct, thus suitable for labouring/lugging your engine at excruciatingly low revs hence ideal for this big thumper we all love!






OK, ignore that bit
A diesel oil is different to a 'petrol' oil mostly in the detergent (cleaning) & suspension (keeping debris afloat) properties/dopes, hence arguably it is a better oil to keep your (petrol) engine clean.
But also, a good diesel oil tends to maintain a film under slow moving loads (aka lugging) a bit better than a petrol oil does.
So it follows that you may indeed use it in petrol engines, and a lot do this also (me included).
Interestingly, this difference is in the process of disappearing these days, a lot of modern oils are prescribed for either engine by the vehicle manufacturers.

Now then, name me one oil (1 only) Shell makes which has a bad rep?
Shit, maybe I should Google this first myself.....
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:54 AM   #16800
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that's a superb observation
ok then .... here's an answer ....better
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