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Old 12-05-2008, 10:13 AM   #31
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I may be mistaken, but I don't think the link rising changes the dynamics of weight transfer to the front tire. Sliding the tire isn't the same as skipping it. Skipping a front tire in turns typically happens with throttle. Sliding might indicate a need for better/different technique, and better tires. Sounds like the suspension might be improved upon as well.

You really should consider taking a class.

by the way, what is the sidecar lead and track width on that rig?
It definately needs new tires, and stiffer rear suspension.
I can't remember the lead, and I don't think I ever measured the track width.

I think it's coming across that I or the outfit are dangerous. That's not entirely the case - most of my breaking traction experience has been me pushing the limits when I've got some room to see what it's going to do if I need it to react to something in the real world. One time the front end skipped on me in the rain on my on-ramp - a downhill right hander with a stop light. That really made me shift my braking on the hack to using more rear brake - on bikes I use very little rear brake, a product of my background, I guess.


I didn't really intend this thread to be about me/my hack, I wanted it more about general utility hacks, their set-ups and their use. Maybe we'll get me sorted and then we can discuss that.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:32 AM   #32
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I think it's coming across that I or the outfit are dangerous. That's not entirely the case - most of my breaking traction experience has been me pushing the limits when I've got some room to see what it's going to do if I need it to react to something in the real world. One time the front end skipped on me in the rain on my on-ramp - a downhill right hander with a stop light. That really made me shift my braking on the hack to using more rear brake - on bikes I use very little rear brake, a product of my background, I guess.
Not at all. But your hack is an interesting puzzle, and sidecars are enuf different from solo bikes that your experience needs to be considered when subjective questions or observations about handling come up. For instance, weight transfer works about the same for most vehicles when braking. You still generally want to use both front and rear brake to stop quickly and the front brake on a sidecar is still the most effective of the two. Where you begin to brake and how the vehicle behaves under braking is a different story.

Have you ever gotten the history of your bike from Doug Bingham( I believe he put the rig together)? Was it originally intended as a dualsport rig for a passenger or just cargo or has it been converted from something else? There was speculation, if I recall correctly, that it might have been a camera rig in a previous incarnation. The mounts and construction are interesting. Some of it is very clever, some of it seems frustratingly cobbled. I wonder what the original vision was and what the background of the designer or customer who commisioned it contributed to it's current form.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:35 AM   #33
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It definately needs new tires, and stiffer rear suspension.
I can't remember the lead, and I don't think I ever measured the track width.

I think it's coming across that I or the outfit are dangerous. That's not entirely the case - most of my breaking traction experience has been me pushing the limits when I've got some room to see what it's going to do if I need it to react to something in the real world. One time the front end skipped on me in the rain on my on-ramp - a downhill right hander with a stop light. That really made me shift my braking on the hack to using more rear brake - on bikes I use very little rear brake, a product of my background, I guess.


I didn't really intend this thread to be about me/my hack, I wanted it more about general utility hacks, their set-ups and their use. Maybe we'll get me sorted and then we can discuss that.
...sorry 'bout that! My rig (obviously) doesn't fall into that category. *umbrella optional...
What I'd meant to say was I was open to riding together sometime, and affording you the chance to drive the R100RT/Ural combination (with sidecar brake). If not Snowcamp, mebbe' the USCA Rally in WA State this year (MAY 14-17 @ Lake Chelan SP) or CA State (JUN 25-28 @ Lake Tahoe)... or maybe sometime in the spring I'll get down to Silver Falls and camp there... bunny roast?

Guess it was all that talk 'bout the sidecar brake that got me goin'.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:13 AM   #34
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Ok

About all of this braking in the right hand turns stuff...I always tried to brake before the Apex and then gently accelerate out of the turn and this is why:
When I would brake in the turn, it would really want to lift the sidecar, but if I braked before the turn, I could use the throttle to keep the car down and it seemed to get me through the turn faster, since I would have more time on the throttle instead of modulating or just going slow to make sure the car didn't come up.
Please enlighten me if I am mistaken...
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:21 AM   #35
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Until Arno brought your rig up from California, Ivan Rider's Ute box with removable canoe seats was my favorite cargo hack. I stole this photo from his collection
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:25 AM   #36
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though if you don't need passenger capability, Aaron's Ratacade is hard to beat. I think he said the box came from Pep Boys

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Old 12-05-2008, 12:19 PM   #37
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Until Arno brought your rig up from California, Ivan Rider's Ute box with removable canoe seats was my favorite cargo hack. I stole this photo from his collection
I like that a lot.I assume he has cut a section out of the middle and welded it back up.Any more photos of it Vernon?.

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Old 12-05-2008, 12:25 PM   #38
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I like that a lot.I assume he has cut a section out of the middle and welded it back up.Any more photos of it Vernon?.

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My photos are at home in an album. Perhaps Ivan Rider will see this and post. I believe that is a stock, unmodified(aside from the canoe seats and bedliner paint) cargo body, either Ural or Izh(Sputnik) Both companies made cargo boxes and they occasionally become available. Jay brought some of the Sputnik boxes in.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:58 PM   #39
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I see.I assumed he cut down a car trayback.Looks great.
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Old 12-05-2008, 05:47 PM   #40
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I really like that thing too!
That's neat, two passenger capacity would be nice. (I have 2 dogs. )


I need to catch up with one of you so as I can ride with you and have some face to face to bike discussions on set-up and stuff.

-I got some stuff from Bingham, but nothing about this specific rig. Lot's of OLD articles about him and his stuff, some product literature, but nothing specific.
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Old 12-06-2008, 02:23 PM   #41
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Old 12-06-2008, 02:29 PM   #42
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Old 12-06-2008, 02:35 PM   #43
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Old 12-08-2008, 08:39 AM   #44
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Man, I really love some of these utility rigs.

It'd be cool to have one of the pickup bed style rigs with a tailgate - that'd be a great trials bike/dirt bike hauler. I thought my next rig was going to be a pure street bike with a sleek car - but a pickup bed would be pretty cool too...



And, to jack it back to ME - I rode my utilihack 165 miles yesterday, slight NW mist for most of the way home. This morning, I couldn't push it out of the garage (downhill).
I think that damn sidecar brake was locked up (it would roll forward, but not backwards)... further - I think it's the source of some of the occasional jerkiness that I feel. Either that or it's the bike brake, but turning the sidecar wheel by hand seemed to unlock it best.
So, tonight is bike swap night, the hack goes to the back of the garage where I can take the sidecar wheel/hub apart and see what I can see.
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Old 12-08-2008, 09:04 AM   #45
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When I was looking at rigs I almost bought that one, from Jay... he's got some stories 'bout off-roading that unit!
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