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Old 11-20-2009, 04:07 AM   #76
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But then where would I register the bike? I'm a legal resident of Maastricht. I presume if I register even a German-bought bike in NL, they are still going to make me pay the BPM (or all the MC dealers in NL would already be out of business).
Yes, but you might save a bit of money as you only have to pay BPM, and not the Dutch dealer...

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Old 11-20-2009, 04:20 AM   #77
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Yes, but you might save a bit of money as you only have to pay BPM, and not the Dutch dealer...

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I'm sorry, I just don't understand. What would I be paying the Dutch dealer that I wouldn't be paying a German dealer, unless it's Dutch taxes? And won't the Dutch make me pay whatever taxes are required even if I purchase the bike out of country and then register here in NL?

My (very poor) understanding is that in NL I'll have to pay BPM (a kind of road tax) and a ~20% "luxury tax". The BPM I have to pay regardless. It's hard to believe I'd escape the luxury tax just because I purchased the bike out of country, and then imported it. If that's possible, why wouldn't everybody do that?
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:15 AM   #78
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I'm sorry, I just don't understand. What would I be paying the Dutch dealer that I wouldn't be paying a German dealer, unless it's Dutch taxes? And won't the Dutch make me pay whatever taxes are required even if I purchase the bike out of country and then register here in NL?

My (very poor) understanding is that in NL I'll have to pay BPM (a kind of road tax) and a ~20% "luxury tax". The BPM I have to pay regardless. It's hard to believe I'd escape the luxury tax just because I purchased the bike out of country, and then imported it. If that's possible, why wouldn't everybody do that?
A lot of dealers buy second hand bikes abroad (mostly SportsBikes like GSXR and R1/R6 models) , register them, and sell them to a dutch client.
The BPM percentage will decrease if a bike is older, so it is worthwile to check it out.

I have done it myself some years ago, bought a 1999 TT600R that, even after registration, costed me about 500 euro's less then a similar official Dutch bike. I sold it for the same amount that is costed me to get it on the road, a few years later. I am sure i lot of people in and around Maastricht can help you, if you do not know anybody there (how sad) i can contact you with a friend of mine who lives in Vaals.
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:19 AM   #79
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I am sure i lot of people in and around Maastricht can help you, if you do not know anybody there (how sad) i can contact you with a friend of mine who lives in Vaals.
I'm glad to say I've made many great friends here in Maastricht . . . unfortunately, none of them are riders. I've recently joined a couple of NL/ex-pat motorcycle forums, and the folks there have been great, but I haven't yet had the chance to meet any of them in person, yet.

I'll send you a PM with my contact information, and would appreciate it if you would forward it on to your friend in Vaals, and many thanks for the offer.
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:08 AM   #80
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I'm glad to say I've made many great friends here in Maastricht . . . unfortunately, none of them are riders. I've recently joined a couple of NL/ex-pat motorcycle forums, and the folks there have been great, but I haven't yet had the chance to meet any of them in person, yet.

I'll send you a PM with my contact information, and would appreciate it if you would forward it on to your friend in Vaals, and many thanks for the offer.
I have sent him an e-mail with you details. I hope we will see you on the road soon!!
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:09 PM   #81
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I have sent him an e-mail with you details. I hope we will see you on the road soon!!
Many thanks, ssteve!
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:43 PM   #82
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Many thanks, ssteve!
It's even cheaper to buy bikes in the uk.. there's a bit of a vacuum right now of choice bikes getting exported to Europe. I've been eyeing up a 950 super Enduro. in NL they are 8-9000 euro(if you can even find one) but you can pick them up in the UK for 5300-6000 gbp...well worth the hassle of it all.
Keep in mind when looking at it that the import tax gets scaled down to match the age of the bike ( i.e i think it drops 20% after the first year i.e 2008 bike, for a 2000 R1150GS it's -80%)
have a look at www.autotrader.co.uk
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:39 AM   #83
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Calling in from Zoetermeer the Netherlands. Current ride is a '78 FLH Shovel, but I want to expand the garage with a good allroad travel bike (GS/Tenere/AT or something like that...DR650/XR650)

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Old 11-24-2009, 09:52 AM   #84
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Calling in from Zoetermeer the Netherlands. Current ride is a '78 FLH Shovel, but I want to expand the garage with a good allroad travel bike (GS/Tenere/AT or something like that...DR650/XR650)

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Hi Ruud You may want to register on www.allroadmaniacs.nl , . you will be the only Shovelhead, i believe, but lo'ts of allroad/adventure bikes there.
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:10 AM   #85
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Hi Steve,

Yeah, I'm lurking there sometimes. I have zero experience offroad, but I would love to try sometime.
I would like to have a travelbike that could take me to the NorthCape (and maybe South America in 2011) with the ocasional of the beaten track route (probably more gravel than mud or sand). So maybe a 70% travel/30% offroad bike, so a GS or a Tenere/AT would suit me. How does your TT cope for these kind of travels?

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Old 11-24-2009, 02:24 PM   #86
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I see my TTR more as a 50/50 bike. I rode it in Tunesia ans Spain, with a bigger Acerbis tank, and did several roadbook trips on it, a Frans Verhoeven enduro training, a few rally weekends ... and also ride it on the road frequently. I have a TT350 for KNMV off-road rides, that are a lot tougher on a bike, but i have done several of them on the 600, too.

I know a guy (Sander Dol) who is using a TTR to go from Alaska to Terra del Fuego (half-way there) http://sanderonasingle.blogspot.com/

I think a single cilinder is the best of both worlds, i just happen to like a TTR, but is guess you could have the same experiences with a Suzuki DR650, or a Beemer X-Challenge, or similar bikes,

If i would buy new, the new 660 Tenere would be #1 on my list
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:19 AM   #87
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In an effort not to die...

First of all an intro, this is my first post and I was taught to be polite and introduce yourself..

I'm Dutch but have lived in The US, Argentina, Switzerland and of course here in rainy Holland, The Hague to be exact.

Got my motorcycle license just under a year ago and have been riding my thumping great Suzuki DR800 (1994) ever since.

Half way through January I should be on my first trip and in an effort not to die I'd like to benefit from the wisdom of y'all!

I'm planning a 3 week trip through Tunisia and woefully unprepared. Panniers, rack, better Helmet... Anyone here in Holland know a good store that wont bleed me dry like the BMW dealers and give me good advice? I may make the rack myself (cant find a ready made that fits) but I'm looking for some panniers or good old ammo boxes. Any ideas?

Ah yes... and I own a banjo... has anyone ever transported a similar instrument on a bike? The temptation to make a banjo shaped pannier is enormous... if only to see the look on peoples faces when I ride by!
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Old 12-04-2009, 01:35 AM   #88
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First of all an intro, this is my first post and I was taught to be polite and introduce yourself..

I'm Dutch but have lived in The US, Argentina, Switzerland and of course here in rainy Holland, The Hague to be exact.

Got my motorcycle license just under a year ago and have been riding my thumping great Suzuki DR800 (1994) ever since.

Half way through January I should be on my first trip and in an effort not to die I'd like to benefit from the wisdom of y'all!

I'm planning a 3 week trip through Tunisia and woefully unprepared. Panniers, rack, better Helmet... Anyone here in Holland know a good store that wont bleed me dry like the BMW dealers and give me good advice? I may make the rack myself (cant find a ready made that fits) but I'm looking for some panniers or good old ammo boxes. Any ideas?

Ah yes... and I own a banjo... has anyone ever transported a similar instrument on a bike? The temptation to make a banjo shaped pannier is enormous... if only to see the look on peoples faces when I ride by!
There is a DR-Big club in Holland, who can give you all the bike related info you need, altough i am sure non of them have a banjo
http://alpha.messageboard.nl/182/viewforum.php?f=7

I have been to Tunesia 2 year ago, with Ortlieb bags. No rack needed, but i fabricated some brackets to make sure the bags/sidepanel staid clear of the exhaust. I have sold them, but for a future trip i would go to an Army supplies store and get me some heavy-dutybags, that can be trown over the saddle, with the same brackets.
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Hy, I am Ad from Groessen near Arnhem. I drive a lc8 950 and did some travelling in the past years ( almost 33 years of driving a bike ). Plans for the future are Albania in 2011 and Kyrgistan again in 2012. This year Turkey and America but not by bike.

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Old 12-09-2009, 01:12 AM   #90
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I'm sorry, I just don't understand. What would I be paying the Dutch dealer that I wouldn't be paying a German dealer, unless it's Dutch taxes? And won't the Dutch make me pay whatever taxes are required even if I purchase the bike out of country and then register here in NL?

My (very poor) understanding is that in NL I'll have to pay BPM (a kind of road tax) and a ~20% "luxury tax". The BPM I have to pay regardless. It's hard to believe I'd escape the luxury tax just because I purchased the bike out of country, and then imported it. If that's possible, why wouldn't everybody do that?
It happens more then you think. Most people dont do it because they are lazy or want a NEW bike. My advise:

- an occassion -> Buy it in England
- a new bike -> Buy it here

If a bike is 2 years old and has ran at least 6.000 km you dont have to pay the major BPM + BTW (taxes over taxes... only possible in the Netherlands). So yes, you pay the BPM regardless, but it isnt that much for an 'older' bike.

Here you can see (dutch) the values: http://douane.nl/variabel/bpm/bpm-31.html#P702_60792

(Calculations are made by a guy nicknamed vmaxxx)

BPM

The base price on which everything is calculated, the net catalogue price. That is for a ZX-6R from 2000 10,436.
The BPM and BTW are calculated on the net catalogue price, so you need to know that to calculate the BPM you have to pay.
We dont need to use the BTW in these calculations.

(The BPM is 9.6% if the net list is less than 2133, and there is no fixed amount reduction, so a different formula there.)

Catalogue price = net catalogue price + bpm - 210
CP = NCP + (NCP * 0,194) - 210

10436 = x + (x * 0,194) -210
10646 = 1,194x
x = 8916,25

So the net catalogue price is 8916,25.

BPM = (NCP * 0,194) - 210

(If the net catalogue price is less than 2133 bpm it is 9.6%, and there is no fixed amount reduction, then the formula is different.)

x = (8916.25 * 0.194) - 210
x = 1519.75

The BPM was 1519.75 so when the motorcycle was new.
But since the motorcycle has about 8 years old, you do not pay the full amount, but you get a discount, that discount can be calculated in different ways, namely:
* Depreciation based on a bike evaluation
* Depreciation based on the trade price list
* Depreciation based scales (see the link above)
In my example I use the scales, because that is the same for each motorcycle.

Suppose that the motorcycle is 8 years old, then the depreciation rate will be: 100% = 84.267% -15.733%

The residual value of the motorcycle is 8916.25 * 0.15733 = 1402.79
BPM Calculation: 1402.79 * 0.194 - 210 = 272.14 - 210 = 62.14

This amount would therefore be the amount you should have to pay customs.

So.. it can be alot cheaper to buy in the UK by example. A Daytona 675 would be like 10.000 euro's in the NEtherlands... but could be 6.000 euro's in the UK.

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