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Old 08-12-2014, 03:40 PM   #1
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Must read.

Nick Goddard has an article in the "Ride Apart" site today that needs to be read by every manufacturer of motorcycles. It enumerates 16 things that "golden age" cycles used to have as standard, but somehow seem to have eroded away from the current crop. I think riders of every stripe, off road, boy racer, mile eating tourer, whatever will nod in agreement. It's well worth the read. Find it below:

http://rideapart.com/2014/04/16-ways...ore-enjoyable/
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:52 PM   #2
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That article was from April
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:03 PM   #3
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Good read, thanks for linking to it.
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Old 08-12-2014, 04:06 PM   #4
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Bloody good article!
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:36 PM   #5
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good stuff in the article
not sure we all need heated grips though
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:58 PM   #6
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It's a pretty good article, think on my VT750, the only things I miss are a fuel gauge, larger tank and grab rails. While I do love my gf hanging onto me, I'd still like for her to have an alternative too.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:27 PM   #7
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Wish your thread title meant something.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:44 PM   #8
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Looking at the article its more sportbike related and a few of those things add weight. Not alot but in the sportbike realm its better to be anorexic as you know. Why have underseat storage when you can make the bike more compact? Why have more powerful lights when the bike is meant for the daylight track session? Why have non fold-able mirrors when your trying to park it next to your car? Why have a centerstand and gain 15lb's....etc etc etc.

Just playing devils advocate, and that is why I really do appreciate my "older" ninja's
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Old 08-13-2014, 02:43 AM   #9
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Gets back to reviewers constant obsession with everything being faster and faster like everyone lives on a racetrack or something.

Very few points given to practicalities PLUS many people buy toys not transport.
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Old 08-13-2014, 03:23 AM   #10
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I'm not sure I agree, it seems innovation is becoming some companies Achilles heal. To much focus on innovation and you might forget to test components to ensure they will work for the life of the bike.
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Old 08-13-2014, 05:32 AM   #11
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Saw the photo - a Honda, what a surprise.

First item: HELEMT LOCK Fail

Uselss as most helmets don't even have "D" rings nowadays, they seem to use locking buckles and clips that won't work with a seat lock

Couldn't be bothered to read the rest .......
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Old 08-13-2014, 06:45 AM   #12
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Too bad Honda didn't read that before making the VFR1200
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:32 AM   #13
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I'm not sure I agree, it seems innovation is becoming some companies Achilles heal. To much focus on innovation and you might forget to test components to ensure they will work for the life of the bike.
I'm not sure I understand your point. If it is that the mentioned items in the article are 'innovations' when applied to current motorcycles, and that manufacturers should stay away unless they have their other crap sorted out, then I don't fully agree.

As said, most items on the list are purely practical, low tech and were on motorcycles 30 years ago. There is no reason to drop that now.

I do agree that other innovations are crippling the market right now. All is done to be the first to come to market with stuff no one is asking for (but could be a great addition nonetheless, that's not what I'm saying). I feel like customers these days are turned into paying beta testers, and that most of their high tech is not reliable at the moment, and needs plenty of shop repair time after the bike rolls of the factory assembly line.

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Saw the photo - a Honda, what a surprise.

First item: HELEMT LOCK Fail

Uselss as most helmets don't even have "D" rings nowadays, they seem to use locking buckles and clips that won't work with a seat lock

Couldn't be bothered to read the rest .......
Don't agree. I stick with D rings, every time, won't buy one with clips. A standard seat lock would be such a nice thing to have. It is small, I don't know why it is not on there!! Seems like motorcycles have gone from means of transportation in the past (being cheaper than cars) to luxury toys. Meaning no need to leave your bike somewhere unattended, as it will be used for recreational rides to a from the house.

I have a self made helmet lock (steel wire with a padlock) that I can attach under my seat. But it is a pain in the ass every time (as I need to fiddle with that lock, remove my seat, then the steel wires goes around the chin part and damages it...

I know a helmet lock is not fool proof and if they really want your helmet, they will take it. But it is a deterrent and it is practical. Now what do I have to do? Take my helmet inside in the shops? Leave it on the rear view mirror? (it will be gone in seconds, even while looking at it I guess...)


On the article itself: I couldn't agree more. More common sense please! Stop with the expensive adjustable suspension (I'm not a luddite or tech hater, but right now it is not fully developed, and poses plenty of issues on for example the multistrada) and focus on fuel gauges, and other little practical stuff.

I didn't know about that bike that is featured in the article but it looks like a decent machine (albeit old) I'll see if i can not find one for cheap, just for the fun of it...


My vote for favourite no-nonsense machine at the moment, very capable, well built and excellent value for money, the new v strom 1000
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:48 AM   #14
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My bike has most of the things that I'd want from this list and some of it is just ridiculous. Bump starting, really? I'll take my slipper clutch please.
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:27 AM   #15
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storage under the seat! Yes! gotta have it. My V-Strom carries everything I need to plug a tire, including a small compressor, under the seat. It's also a great place to stash a small camera. It would be a great place for that USB port, too. Or at least ONE of them.

I like having a clock on my bike. I want to know how mad the boss is gonna be when I get to work late. Again. V-Strom has it.

Gear position indicator. The V-Strom has it. I use it. I love it.

I agree on the helmet lock, but there should be two of them.

And yes, I want a centerstand.

I've had heated grips. I just don't see what all the fuss is about. Give me some handguards to block the wind/bugs/rocks.

How about adding at least one power port somewhere up front? Or perhaps a docking station for a gps? where the gps is secure from theft and weather.

Self cancelling turn signals. Why don't all bikes have these? I had them on the Nomad, they were awesome.

If it's got a windshield, it should be adjustable. See Honda NT700V.

Adjustable bars/seat/footpegs would be nice too. The brake lever and gear shift lever should move with the pegs.

How about a comfortable seat? Why does that seem to be so difficult?
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