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Old 09-28-2009, 01:32 AM   #271
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I bought a 2001 with 24000 miles on it. The previous owner stated he had no issues with burning oil. I've put a 1000 miles on it and it hasn't burned any oil. The bike rips. I paid 3600 for it with givi hard cases and no regrets. Never ridden the 1250, though.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:22 AM   #272
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Now I have a dilemma for sure. There's another Bandit available locally. This one's a 2002 and went to the dealership for the warranty work for the oil burning. The dealer replaced the stock components with Dale Walker pistons, etc. No more burning. Apparently makes more power than stock but the owner admits that it idles poorly at and needs the jet kit to sort that out. 13000 miles. Price is $2600.

Contrast that with another bike available close at hand. 2001 stock - never buned oil and comes with a 2 week guarantee on the oil burning for $2400. 18000 miles.

My question - which one would you veteran bandit riders go with? Does the built 2002 approach the power delivery of the 1250? Does the increased compression reduce reliability? How much for a jet kit and installation? About me - I'll be a commuter (60 miles per day) and 2 or 3 longer road trips during the season. Really don't need the extra power, but... hey, who doesn't like that kick in the ass.

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Old 09-28-2009, 06:28 AM   #273
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I prefer stock bike over modded bike.

I prefer Air-oil cooled Bandit 1200s over water cooled Bandit 1250s, less complicated to maintain, better gear ratio for lower engine rpm in top gear cruising and over decades of engine development for reliability.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:46 AM   #274
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I prefer stock bike over modded bike.

I prefer Air-oil cooled Bandit 1200s over water cooled Bandit 1250s, less complicated to maintain, better gear ratio for lower engine rpm in top gear cruising and over decades of engine development for reliability.
A jet-kitted and ignition-advanced 1200 runs a whole lot better (in every way) than the stock bike, with no mpg penalty. I can't comment on the piston kit, but it sounds pretty mild (compression ratio is only 10.8/1). If you have a bike with the oil-consumption problem that needs new pistons anyway, there's probably no reason not to buy the Holeshot kit. But, if the piston kit is a worry, the poster could always buy the cheaper stock bike and add the jet kit and ignition advancer for ~$200 and enjoy a really sweet engine.

As for gearing, the new 1250 has a six-speed with overdrive and turns far fewer revs on the highway than the 1200's 5-speed.
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Old 09-28-2009, 06:53 AM   #275
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I eventually bought the stocker. He gave me a 2 week return warranty on the oil-burning. That is, if I bring it back in 2 weeks because it burnt more than normal oil - he'll give me the $$ back. I asked for the warranty because I drove it yesterday in a cold, driving rain and when it started up it billowed stuff out the rear. I'm sure it's the temp and humidity not oil - but wanted the warranty until I could put a few hundred miles on it to make sure.

Why did I go with the stocker you ask? The built (Dale Walker) '01 seemed like more trouble than anything else. Definitely more power. But the stocker has more than enough juice for me and my commuting. The stocker was in better overall condition as well. Those heli-bars make for a really comfy riding position. You guys may not like the Bandit's stock seat but to me (coming from dualsports) it's a dream in comparison.

Thanks for the advice.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:57 AM   #276
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HarveyMushman - that sounds like the ticket. Only $200 for a jet kit and ignition advance. I expected a jet kit would run a lot more as a thumper jet kit runs $60-70 for only 1 carb. I'll have to search and get more familiar with my options for the Bandit.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:14 AM   #277
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I prefer stock bike over modded bike.

I prefer Air-oil cooled Bandit 1200s over water cooled Bandit 1250s, less complicated to maintain, better gear ratio for lower engine rpm in top gear cruising and over decades of engine development for reliability.


1) Maintainance? Sure, if you do it yourself. I'm sure most don't.
2) Gear ratio? I'd be surprised if at 60mph in top gear the 1250 has more
revs on the clocks. If nothing else, it has 6 gears vs 5 on the old 1200,
and you can always change the sprockets.

With maximum torque at 3700 rpms (1200's torque peak is at 6k!),
it won't mind that.

..and oh yeah.. the 1250 reaches max power 1000 rpms lower then the 1200.

I'm sure no reliability issues are gonna pop up.. the engine design
is rather close to the old 1200.. and the 1250 has been out on the
market long enough IMHO.

..and the 1250s are available with ABS..

It's a no-brainer for me.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:48 AM   #278
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Do some research on engine final drive ratio difference between the 1200 and 1250.

I stated my opinion, obvously not suited for everyone.

Maximum power on 1250 is lower, but how often do you actually get to use the maximum power?

Again, IMO, monatary saving of a used 1200 (rather than a new 1250) would be better invested in sorting out the suspension rather than getting more HP or engine performance with a jetkit.

Yes, ABS does require more maintenance.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:26 AM   #279
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Do some research on engine final drive ratio difference between the 1200 and 1250.

I stated my opinion, obvously not suited for everyone.
Sure 'nuf. No need to be pissy about it.
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:28 AM   #280
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I don't have a clue how the 1250's top gear rpm compares to the 1200's, but it is most definitely not under-geared, in fact I'd stay stock gearing is spot on and the spacing is just about perfect. Top gear is nice and relaxed, first is low enough to plunk along at 6mph with the clutch out and none of the spaces feel too large. The pull from such low rpm is really what makes the bike imho.

I found the brakes ok, but not fantastic. The calipers are the same as are standard on my TL1000S. On that bike I noted a big improvement going to dual stainless lines, I suspect a similar improvement would be had with the bandit. If I still had the bike I'd slip on a pair of lines and some HH pads and call it good. That would firm up the feel nicely and give a little more power.
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Old 10-01-2009, 07:57 AM   #281
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1200 - gel seat?

I just bought a 2001 1200S. The PO said it has a gel seat, but I can't see any difference (from looking) between mine and the stock seat. How can I tell if I actually have a gel seat? Any pics? Different part# on the bottom?

BTW - sure do like the Heli-bars. Much more comfy than the stock bars.
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Old 10-01-2009, 09:07 AM   #282
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I remember once taking a 1200 for a test ride, loved the cool after-market dual muffler set up on one side of the bike.... forget who makes it.

Let's just say that though the Bandit 1200 had a reputation for being the least expensive way to get into a bike that modifies into a quick & powerful machine, it simply did nothing for me.

The 1250 with it's factory torque numbers intrigued me, I wanted fuel injection because I frequently ride from sea level to 12,000 feet, and liquid cooling a plus in the 105*+ heat of the Central Valley of California.

HOWEVER......
I didn't know when I rode the 1200 that I was someday going to learn to appreciate "boring" and "no drama". I later bought a Yamaha FZ1 and put over 50,000 miles on a boring machine that gave me absolutely no drama. There's something to say for "KISS". I'm sure the Bandit 1200 is fully capable, I just wanted an updated version of what I liked about my FZ1, thus my having gone with a new Bandit 1255cc torque monster.
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:25 AM   #283
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ZeroGravity ST review

Probably old news to most but this thread was getting stagnant and could use a pickmeup. If nothing else, this exercise gave me an excuse to avoid quarterly taxes for awhile.

Just installed an ST windshield yesterday and wanted to report the pros and cons. Background - I'm 6-1" with a 34 inch inseam. Bike is a 2001 1200S with heli-bars (slightly more upright than stock) and a gel seat. My helmet is an EXO400 - pretty quiet as helmets go.

The installation was easy enough when I found the directions on the ZG website. I quickly snapped the 2 lower tabs on the outer v-shaped windshield trim but found that doesn't alter it's function a bit. The ST is only about 2" longer than stock but sit's 3-4" taller due to the more upright posture. It's also a couple inches wider and faired nicely near the top - doesn't have the 90 degree corners. At idle (or just above) my stock screen had a low speed hum/vibration that nearly drove me crazy. That is conveniently absent in the ST.

It's a blustery day here in west central Maine maybe upper 40's. Fall colors are right at peak so I wanted to enjoy the twisties and scenery. Took a 2 lane road from Farmington to Mt Blue SP and then up Center Hill to around 2400' elevation. Speed varied from 60-80 mph. Conditions flip-flopped from beautiful and sunny to sprinkles to the lightest of flurries. The wind was consistently inconsistent if that makes any sense. Gusting every which way. Not a long ride, only 50-60 miles total.

1st - the bad. There is more wind noise with the ST as compared with stock. Not much, but noticeable.

the good - the blast of turbulent air is moved from mid chest level to right at neck level so there's way less pressure at higher speeds. Even though there's more sound - my helmet is out of the turbulent air so no head bobble at all. I played around with seating heights and found that if I were 1" taller my head would be back into clean air and noticeably more quiet. Any lower and the sound level went much higher with a tad bit of head bobble. I also think the ST looks better than stock.

All in all, I'd say the ST is a great screen for taller riders - say 6-2" and over. More protection and no more noise. I think 6-1" is the lower end of utility due to the increased wind noise. Under 6-0" would be a PITA, I think.

As always, YMMV. Now I'm forced to clean the garage to further avoid taxtime.


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Old 10-12-2009, 11:39 AM   #284
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Hey, what handguards are those? Do you think they'll have any problem fitting on a sportbike?
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:26 PM   #285
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Those handguards are offered by Suzuki for their DL650.....

Mine pretty much snapped into place, though I have read where others had to do some modification.
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