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Old 12-21-2008, 08:34 PM   #61
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A computer is programmable, a calculator not.
Oh, for pete's sake, you are just trolling the geeks now.

A calculator has limited instructions - add, subtract, multiply, divide, m+, m-.......

A computer has limited instructions - add, subtract, rotate, compare, store, read,...........


WTF is the difference? The size?
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:35 PM   #62
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Oh, for pete's sake, you are just trolling the geeks now.

A calculator has limited instructions - add, subtract, multiply, divide, m+, m-.......

A computer has limited instructions - add, subtract, rotate, compare, store, read,...........


WTF is the difference? The size?
Your typical calculator isn't programmable.
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:38 PM   #63
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Your typical calculator isn't programmable.
What do you mean programmable?
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:41 PM   #64
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What do you mean programmable?
The ability to program the machine to carrry out different tasks.
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:51 PM   #65
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The ability to program the machine to carrry out different tasks.



Defining programing by referencing "program" is killing me here. Have you got an intern and a cigar there?
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:54 PM   #66
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Defining programing by referencing "program" is killing me here. Have you got an intern and a cigar there?
Would you have me say 'alter the software' instead?
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Old 12-21-2008, 09:04 PM   #67
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Would you have me say 'alter the software' instead?
WTF is software?

Me looking at a piece of paper with 2 + 3

typing it into a calculator is not "computing"?

typing it into excel is "computing"?









What I am saying - your "software" is very rigid. It is a strict language. Neither calulator or pentium can directly answer the question "how many pints in a keg?"
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Old 12-21-2008, 09:12 PM   #68
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WTF is software?

Me looking at a piece of paper with 2 + 3

typing it into a calculator is not "computing"?

typing it into excel is "computing"?









What I am saying - your "software" is very rigid. It is a strict language. Neither calulator or pentium can directly answer the question "how many pints in a keg?"
So you are in the "everything is a computer" camp? All the tools we use to calculate and compute are just machines, so there's no point in making any finer distinctions?


Software isn't rigid, it's soft. Soft+ware. You can assemble the "words" of a machine language into an infinite number of "sentences." A calculator has only one "sentence."
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Old 12-21-2008, 09:26 PM   #69
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So you are in the "everything is a computer" camp? All the tools we use to calculate and compute are just machines, so there's no point in making any finer distinctions?
Nope, I just believe the finer distinction includes some simpler tools.
Slide rule = computer
calculator = computer



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Software isn't rigid, it's soft. Soft+ware. You can assemble the "words" of a machine language into an infinite number of "sentences." A calculator has only one "sentence."
we have different ideas of infinite.
You type the input and instructions into a calculator. Who told you to stop typing?

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Old 12-21-2008, 09:30 PM   #70
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Nope, I just believe the finer distinction includes some simpler tools.
Slide rule = computer
calculator = computer
I choose to define a computer the way wiki does. I'm going to call those calculators.



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we have different ideas of infinite.
You type the input and instructions into a calculator. Who told you to stop typing?
That's an infinite amount of input. The calculator deals with it in a fixed way. A computer can deal with the input in an infinite variety of ways.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:03 PM   #71
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That's an infinite amount of input. The calculator deals with it in a fixed way. A computer can deal with the input in an infinite variety of ways.
bullshit. Your computer has a limited instruction set. It is only a fancy calculator.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:11 PM   #72
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bullshit. Your computer has a limited instruction set. It is only a fancy calculator.
Now we've come full circle. No, it can be programmed in an infinite variety of ways. Unlimited.



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Old 12-21-2008, 10:27 PM   #73
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Now we've come full circle. No, it can be programmed in an infinite variety of ways. Unlimited.
Arggggh. Your computer has a limited instruction set. limited.


Your density is infinite. Without bounds.

Your computer is limited. Not infinite.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:29 PM   #74
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Would this be a bad time to bring up Turing tests?

Here klay, this is a computer AND a calculator!

http://www.break.com/index/marble-based-calculator.html
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I'll compute you to death with a Sanka can. Swear to god, I've got the plastic scoop right here.
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