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Old 10-19-2013, 04:56 AM   #25861
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Okay, so here it is, so far:

Rimbenty
Jeff Munn
Dirtmonkey8 and Jeff(XR650L)
Eddy Alvarez
pplassm
burtonrider3889
Halfplate
ddlewis (tentatively)
Madstrom
dsinger562 (tentatively)
btblueskies and wingman
deerslayR from Jersey
and two inmates from C'ville


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As of right now, I'm about maxed out for our weekend. Total is now 16 riders, and two ladies. I'm sorry, but I can't cook for many more than that, and will need some help in the mornings with breakfast as it is.

I'll be expecting the first arrivals sometime Friday afternoon. If you want to come earlier than that, please let me know. For planning purposes, it is supposed to be clear until Sunday. Highs in the 50's, but low Fri night 32F and dropping to mid 20's Saturday night. If you're sleeping outside you better bring your Dr. Dentons.

I'm very pumped and think this could become an annual thing. I've got a special surprise for everyone Saturday night. I love captive audiences.

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Old 10-19-2013, 07:10 AM   #25862
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So on this morning's "11-mile" run, we did 12.01 miles. Cheeky coaches! I clocked 2 hrs 3 mins.

Now to load up on Czech and Slovak food at the festival in Prince George (Sandman, see you there) ahead of a midnight hike (cuz 12 miles wasn't enough... ). In case anyone else wants to check the festival out, I'll add a link w more details in a bit, but IIRC food is 11:30a to 4p or some such thing.

Edit: linky.
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Old 10-19-2013, 07:41 AM   #25863
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As of right now, I'm about maxed out for our weekend. Total is now 16 riders, and two ladies. I'm sorry, but I can't cook for many more than that, and will need some help in the mornings with breakfast as it is.

I'll be expecting the first arrivals sometime Friday afternoon. If you want to come earlier than that, please let me know. For planning purposes, it is supposed to be clear until Sunday. Highs in the 50's, but low Fri night 32F and dropping to mid 20's Saturday night. If you're sleeping outside you better bring your Dr. Dentons.

I'm very pumped and think this could become an annual thing. I've got a special surprise for everyone Saturday night. I love captive audiences.

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I'll be happy to help with breakfast in the morning however I can. It's going to be a cold one! I'll be putting my 30 degree bag to the test this weekend. I am at a sever lack of cold riding gear, but hopefully since it's mostly offroad it won't be too bad. I'll be putting long johns on under the mesh pants. I cannot wait.
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Old 10-19-2013, 09:55 AM   #25864
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I'll be happy to help with breakfast in the morning however I can. It's going to be a cold one! I'll be putting my 30 degree bag to the test this weekend. I am at a sever lack of cold riding gear, but hopefully since it's mostly offroad it won't be too bad. I'll be putting long johns on under the mesh pants. I cannot wait.
Just some friendly advice from an "Old Fart" who has "been there done that". Cold weather riding/camping is a whole other animal than summer riding/camping. It can be a lot of fun if you are prepared for it. You are going to freeze your ... off in mesh. You need to wear something that at least breaks the wind and some heavy weight fleece bottoms and tops to cut the wind chill factor.

Most bag ratings are a "survival" rating, not a comfort rating. Some higher end bags have an "EN" rating which is close to a comfort rating. You need to wear some fleece in the bag with a pair of heavy socks and a skull cap. You need to at least have an insulating pad (Therma Rest) between the bag and the ground to cut down on the ground transferring cold through the bag i.e. "heat loss". I have an old one you can borrow. I have seen guys huddled around the fire all night because they knew they weren't prepared and would freeze in their tent. Nights can be really long shivering in a bag waiting for the sun to come up.

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Old 10-19-2013, 11:04 AM   #25865
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I'll be happy to help with breakfast in the morning however I can. It's going to be a cold one! I'll be putting my 30 degree bag to the test this weekend. I am at a sever lack of cold riding gear, but hopefully since it's mostly offroad it won't be too bad. I'll be putting long johns on under the mesh pants. I cannot wait.
Rain gear over the top of mesh is way better than longjohns underneath. But I do both sometimes.

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Old 10-19-2013, 07:28 PM   #25866
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As of right now, I'm about maxed out for our weekend. Total is now 16 riders, and two ladies. I'm sorry, but I can't cook for many more than that, and will need some help in the mornings with breakfast as it is.

I'll be expecting the first arrivals sometime Friday afternoon. If you want to come earlier than that, please let me know. For planning purposes, it is supposed to be clear until Sunday. Highs in the 50's, but low Fri night 32F and dropping to mid 20's Saturday night. If you're sleeping outside you better bring your Dr. Dentons.

I'm very pumped and think this could become an annual thing. I've got a special surprise for everyone Saturday night. I love captive audiences.

jeff
Please do make it an annual thing. I'm so bummed about missing this. I feel like a sick kid stuck inside while all his friends are out having fun.

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I'll be happy to help with breakfast in the morning however I can. It's going to be a cold one! I'll be putting my 30 degree bag to the test this weekend. I am at a sever lack of cold riding gear, but hopefully since it's mostly offroad it won't be too bad. I'll be putting long johns on under the mesh pants. I cannot wait.
Warm gloves make a huge difference. Jeff's raingear suggestion is spot on, or a good windbreaker. Too much bulk underneath is restrictive and might make you sweat which is the worst.

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Just some friendly advice from an "Old Fart" who has "been there done that". Cold weather riding/camping is a whole other animal than summer riding/camping. It can be a lot of fun if you are prepared for it. You are going to freeze your ... off in mesh. You need to wear something that at least breaks the wind and some heavy weight fleece bottoms and tops to cut the wind chill factor.

Most bag ratings are a "survival" rating, not a comfort rating. Some higher end bags have an "EN" rating which is close to a comfort rating. You need to wear some fleece in the bag with a pair of heavy socks and a skull cap. You need to at least have an insulating pad (Therma Rest) between the bag and the ground to cut down on the ground transferring cold through the bag i.e. "heat loss". I have an old one you can borrow. I have seen guys huddled aroung the fire all night because they knew they weren't prepared and would freeze in their tent. Nights can be really long shivering in a bag waiting for the sun to come up.
I've found that an extra blanket over (or around) the sleeping bag beats bulking up inside, but wearing a hat is most important. When I'm cold weather camping, I keep the next days clothes inside my sleeping bag with me so they're warm before I put them on in the morning. I also make sure to have an empty wide mouth 32 oz. bottle in the tent with me in case I have to "talk to a man about a horse" in the middle of the night!
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Old 10-19-2013, 08:09 PM   #25867
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:01 AM   #25868
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Just some friendly advice from an "Old Fart" who has "been there done that".
Thats good advice from the "Old Fart" and others. I've seen Madstrom camp down into the teens at night. I learned a lot about cold weather and motorcycle camping from him. I can't keep up with him however, he upgrades camping gear like Eddy upgrades motorcycles. +1 on the skull cap. You can have the best sleeping bag in the world but if your head is exposed your going to get cold. Walmart sells a very inexpensive rain pant and/or jacket that works very well over your riding gear. They also sell those metal looking emergency blankets that are supposed to hold in the heat. Its small, light weight and could come in handy if you get really cold.

I have street tires on the GS this week. If anyone would like to get out and get a spirited pavement ride in let me know. Im open for any direction today.
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:38 AM   #25869
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Thats good advice from the "Old Fart" and others. I've seen Madstrom camp down into the teens at night. I learned a lot about cold weather and motorcycle camping from him. I can't keep up with him however, he upgrades camping gear like Eddy upgrades motorcycles. +1 on the skull cap. You can have the best sleeping bag in the world but if your head is exposed your going to get cold. Walmart sells a very inexpensive rain pant and/or jacket that works very well over your riding gear. They also sell those metal looking emergency blankets that are supposed to hold in the heat. Its small, light weight and could come in handy if you get really cold.

I have street tires on the GS this week. If anyone would like to get out and get a spirited pavement ride in let me know. Im open for any direction today.
RBMWR rides somewhere west out to a winery today. Any guest is welcome. Meet at Babe's at 9:30 in Carytown then ride. It will most likely NOT be spirited though!
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:22 AM   #25870
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Thats good advice from the "Old Fart" and others. I've seen Madstrom camp down into the teens at night. I learned a lot about cold weather and motorcycle camping from him. I can't keep up with him however, he upgrades camping gear like Eddy upgrades motorcycles. +1 on the skull cap. You can have the best sleeping bag in the world but if your head is exposed your going to get cold. Walmart sells a very inexpensive rain pant and/or jacket that works very well over your riding gear. They also sell those metal looking emergency blankets that are supposed to hold in the heat. Its small, light weight and could come in handy if you get really cold.

I have street tires on the GS this week. If anyone would like to get out and get a spirited pavement ride in let me know. Im open for any direction today.
What did you do with the K-60 tires? Or are those your "street tires"?
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:06 AM   #25871
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Most bag ratings are a "survival" rating, not a comfort rating. Some higher end bags have an "EN" rating which is close to a comfort rating. You need to wear some fleece in the bag with a pair of heavy socks and a skull cap. You need to at least have an insulating pad (Therma Rest) between the bag and the ground to cut down on the ground transferring cold through the bag i.e. "heat loss". I have an old one you can borrow. I have seen guys huddled aroung the fire all night because they knew they weren't prepared and would freeze in their tent. Nights can be really long shivering in a bag waiting for the sun to come up.
So last night I went on a full moon circuit hike involving the AT and pitching tent by moonlight at 1am. The hike leader sent out info that the overnight temps would be low 50s -- info that I never bothered to confirm, but since I didn't face space constraints (I took the car), I packed everything I'd need for 50-degree temps and then some.

My initial setup: tent + Big Agnus insulating pad (did its job!!) + 15-degree (?) bag by Big Agnus (hm... great for shoulder season camping, but I really need to get an arctic-rated bag for sub-30F) + skull cap + wool socks + Smart Wool top/leggings. An hour later I was seriously cold so at some point I finally motivated to put the hiking boots back on and venture out into the screaming cold wind to climb the hill and get my fleece bag liner + fleece jacket out of the car. Between those add-ons and getting my body temp back up via the mini hike, I was sufficiently comfortable that I could fall asleep. What I wish I had: my down jacket as an additional layer, warmer leggings, and maybe a 2nd layer of wool socks (does double-layering socks work?).
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:41 AM   #25872
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Nice warm and sunny in the East. Mud road was wet. djocky went with me. I road the XR250L. DOT Knobby tires are great. Much less squirming around than the Wee.







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Old 10-20-2013, 11:11 AM   #25873
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IMHO you are on the right track.

When it’s really cold here’s what I am carrying as basic gear:
Exped DownMat 9 LW with R8 insulation value
http://www.exped.com/exped/web/exped_homepage_na.nsf

Byers Tri-Lite Cot which cradlesthe Exped which provides another 2-3 inches of cushioning, and keeps me from rollin/sliding of the mat during the night. Some mornings I have awakened in the same position in which I fell asleep.

https://www.byerofmaine.com/products...ilite-cot.html

http://vimeo.com/20036159

Marmot Never Summer Zero degree Down Sleeping bag. Has 2 adjustable collars. One for around the shoulders and one for around the head.
http://marmot.com/products/never_summer

Marmot Hideway 4 Tent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfkC6wjEphY
Or
Limelight 3p Tent
http://marmot.com/products/limelight_3p

Depending on temperatures a combination of the following clothes
Base layer tops and bottoms
Heavy weight polar fleece tops and bottoms
Columbia down sweater vest
Russian trappers hat with ear flaps snap can snap under the chin if needed. That way it won’t come off in the middle of the night.
Smart Wool socks sometimes more than one pair when in the bag.

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Old 10-20-2013, 11:21 AM   #25874
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IMHO you are on the right track.

When it’s really cold here’s what I am carrying as basic gear:
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Notes taken. Thanks!!

Edit: I should add... the full moon hike was SWEET. Otherworldly, highly recommended. Headlamps with a red bulb come in handy during those bits when you want a bit more light than the moon to preserve ankles/knees but you don't want to put a search light on the path. That said, the potential for injury is probably higher than during the light of day -- e.g., one gentleman nearly threw his momentum onto the gravity express when he misjudged the trail's path.
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Old 10-20-2013, 02:05 PM   #25875
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So last night I went on a full moon circuit hike involving the AT and pitching tent by moonlight at 1am. The hike leader sent out info that the overnight temps would be low 50s -- info that I never bothered to confirm, but since I didn't face space constraints (I took the car), I packed everything I'd need for 50-degree temps and then some.

My initial setup: tent + Big Agnus insulating pad (did its job!!) + 15-degree (?) bag by Big Agnus (hm... great for shoulder season camping, but I really need to get an arctic-rated bag for sub-30F) + skull cap + wool socks + Smart Wool top/leggings. An hour later I was seriously cold so at some point I finally motivated to put the hiking boots back on and venture out into the screaming cold wind to climb the hill and get my fleece bag liner + fleece jacket out of the car. Between those add-ons and getting my body temp back up via the mini hike, I was sufficiently comfortable that I could fall asleep. What I wish I had: my down jacket as an additional layer, warmer leggings, and maybe a 2nd layer of wool socks (does double-layering socks work?).


Did you guys do the Hotel to Cole Mountain loop and camp in Hog Camp Gap?
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