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Old 06-19-2009, 12:11 PM   #31
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Old 06-20-2009, 09:44 AM   #32
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Nice work vmabuck! I still can't upload, maybe try the laptop later. Do you have Italian Creek Road?
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:35 AM   #33
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:21 PM   #34
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Not sure the rules Tim? I don't want to tread on any toes but I could put something together like the following:

Looking at those maps going north west and south west so perhaps I'll lead a ride north east?

Geek's Big Thumper Thin Air Tour
It will be an 80% dirt, 20% paved.
I'll design it with several bail out points.
The ride will be aimed at 600-650 class bikes for maximum fun.
A KLR with an average rider will have a great time.
A GS with a talented rider.
Smaller bikes might not like the distances involved and none of the ride will be smaller than dual track (ie.. if I were on a dirt bike I'd be heading to Triad Ridge or something).

It'll depart north to Leadville and include:

1) 13,118ft on Mosquito Pass (no freakin' air! do it first while we're fresh) to BreckinRidge.

2) Up and over the super fun Humbug Hill (recommended by a man with no teeth) over to Georgia Pass.

3) 11,585ft on Georgia Pass (big fun dirt 2 track).

*Potential Detour: then depending on the group we could detour here up some fun stuff...more below


then as people are getting tired the ride back would be the easy/scenic dirt roads of:

4) 11,482ft on Boreas Pass (an easy scenic dirt road).
and then
5) 11,921ft on Weston Pass (an easy scenic dirt road). Coming down the west side of Weston you have a view of the two highest peaks in Colorado - one of my favorite views!
(or we can cut Boreas out all together if time is short).

Dumping us out only a few miles from the camp site near Twin Lakes.

**Potential Detour: if we have a more accomplished group I can take them over Webster/Redcone/Radical Hill/Swan Creek after we've gone over Georgia. This would be an easy group split location where those wanting to get back can head easily back on easy dirt roads and those wanting a bit of a challenge can take the Detour. The Detour would require a very good rider on a KLR... an idiot on a GS It would be a full magnitude more difficult than Mosquito & Georgia (probably not flat-lander friendly) but if some are wanting we can include it since we'll be in that area and it is SUPER fun (and I've learned my lessons so we'd go down swan creek instead of up it ) **

...and I love all these trails so I'm happy to modify as a group would like.
...and if nobody is up for any of it.. no problem.. I'll go and fall down on Pearl Pass instead

sounds good to me with the detour what day and time you thinking?
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Old 07-06-2009, 08:54 AM   #35
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I have been looking at this one all morning for a full-day dual-sport ride. I have riden part of this route, but don't know the passes and trail to the north (Taylor Pass, Pearl Pass, etc). For those of you who know the area, would this be ok for bigger bikes?

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Old 07-06-2009, 02:33 PM   #36
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I have been looking at this one all morning for a full-day dual-sport ride. I have riden part of this route, but don't know the passes and trail to the north (Taylor Pass, Pearl Pass, etc). For those of you who know the area, would this be ok for bigger bikes?
Bigger bike meaning V-strom? Neither taylor or pearl are vstrom friendly. I've only ridden pearl once years ago in the easier direction and I don't care to go back. You've ridden Tincup Pass?
From south of Taylor reservoir to Almont 742 is paved, there is a gravel road 748 that roughly paralells it to the north that would be just fine for a strom, it runs just south of cement creek reservoir and ends up near Almont.
If you were talking about your xl600 in your profile you can ride it about anywhere.
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:23 AM   #37
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I have been looking at this one all morning for a full-day dual-sport ride. I have riden part of this route, but don't know the passes and trail to the north (Taylor Pass, Pearl Pass, etc). For those of you who know the area, would this be ok for bigger bikes?

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John, I have done all that in the Jeep at one time or another. Pearl will be very dificult on the strom. Taylor, once you get up the first hill is probably not so bad, but will be a challenge. Tin Cup,(if not snowed in) would be doable. Don't try Hancock. It's been probably 15-20 yrs or so since I was up Pearl or Taylor. Tincup has been about 5 yrs as has Hancock. Easy to get to the Old Alpine tunnel from the Pitkin side, but not the Tincup side.
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Old 07-09-2009, 06:39 AM   #38
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Bigger bike meaning V-strom? Neither taylor or pearl are vstrom friendly. I've only ridden pearl once years ago in the easier direction and I don't care to go back. You've ridden Tincup Pass?
From south of Taylor reservoir to Almont 742 is paved, there is a gravel road 748 that roughly paralells it to the north that would be just fine for a strom, it runs just south of cement creek reservoir and ends up near Almont.
If you were talking about your xl600 in your profile you can ride it about anywhere.

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John, I have done all that in the Jeep at one time or another. Pearl will be very dificult on the strom. Taylor, once you get up the first hill is probably not so bad, but will be a challenge. Tin Cup,(if not snowed in) would be doable. Don't try Hancock. It's been probably 15-20 yrs or so since I was up Pearl or Taylor. Tincup has been about 5 yrs as has Hancock. Easy to get to the Old Alpine tunnel from the Pitkin side, but not the Tincup side.

Thanks for the feedback. I will have to mull this one over a little further. I really want to do this ride, but I am much more concerned about getting my 17 and 18 year old sons, on their XL600's into trouble.....than I am about getting over my head on the Strom. My WeeStrom has upgraded suspension, crash bars, TouraTech skid plate and TKC's......and I will take it a lot of places where get a lot of funny looks from guys and gals on 250's and 400's.....like: "What the hell are you doing on that thing, up here?"

At WF08 last year, I rode Hurricane and Cinnamon and thought they were pretty easy.

If I do this ride Norm, you want to join me on your DRZ?
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:21 PM   #39
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Taylor Park Area Passes

I've ridden a number of the passes being mentioned here, all on either a 640 adventure or 525 EXC.

Here is my experience:

Cottonwood - easy on anything - graded dirt

Old Monarch - same

Kebler, Ohio - same, but to agree with Hair treated with MgChloride, so wash your bike after wards, especially if wet (MgCl attacks aluminum)

Tincup, Hancock - rocky, loose and embedded - I've seen this done on large bikes, including GS, and I've seen Hancock destroy a 950 adventure. Don't approach these two lightly.

Napoleon - did it on the 640. MANY tree roots, best suited for pure dirt bikes.

Taylor - much of this is on the order of Hancock and Tincup, however, this year, with all the snow and moisture, you have to ride up a section of the Taylor River (yes, right up the middle of it), but it's nothing like east coast and midwest rivers. It is a really rocky river bed and if it has more than 6 inches of water in it, it could be a real problem. Be prepared to eat some crow and turn around.

Pearl - Harder than everything except Napoleon (that I am familiar with). Rode it on the 640, from Aspen to CB. Encountered one 50 yard section that took us an hour to get 4 bikes across. Don't take this pass lightly either. Also, ran into snow at the pass (Aspen side) that we had to break trail through, AT THE END OF THE SUMMER! The message is the pass simply may not be open.

Cumberland - haven't ridden it, but I think it is also graded, pretty easy

They are all fun, if you're ready for them.

Take the jeep trails to the top of American Flag (unless you are extremely hard core - then try the Star Trail - if you can't ride the Lily Pond, stay off the Star). There is also a single track down from American Flag that is loose, steep and rocky, dirt bike material.

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Old 07-10-2009, 07:04 AM   #40
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Taylor - much of this is on the order of Hancock and Tincup, however, this year, with all the snow and moisture, you have to ride up a section of the Taylor River (yes, right up the middle of it), but it's nothing like east coast and midwest rivers. It is a really rocky river bed and if it has more than 6 inches of water in it, it could be a real problem. Be prepared to eat some crow and turn around.

Pearl - Harder than everything except Napoleon (that I am familiar with). Rode it on the 640, from Aspen to CB. Encountered one 50 yard section that took us an hour to get 4 bikes across. Don't take this pass lightly either. Also, ran into snow at the pass (Aspen side) that we had to break trail through, AT THE END OF THE SUMMER! The message is the pass simply may not be open.


Now you really have me second-guessing this route.
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Old 07-11-2009, 07:53 PM   #41
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Taylor and Pearl are fun on the right bikes. To be honest, I would expect damage if you rode it on the Strom. Portions of Pearl are loose, steepish scree. Steep enough that if you stop it is hard to get going, with full knobs!

I did a test ride today on my new 990 and I am working up a long large DS route. I'm thinking of something like:
Hayden, (one more in between, the name is escaping me), Old Monarch, Waunita, Black Sage, Cumberland. From here either return over Tincup, or if it is early in the day consider Ohio, Kebler and back over Hagerman (this makes a long ambitious route - but all doable on the Vee.)

A good route for you and your sons might be a loop around Tincup, Cumberland and Hancock. Tincup and Hancock are rocky and steepish, but much more doable than Taylor and Pearl.

Good Luck wherever you head.

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Taylor - much of this is on the order of Hancock and Tincup, however, this year, with all the snow and moisture, you have to ride up a section of the Taylor River (yes, right up the middle of it), but it's nothing like east coast and midwest rivers. It is a really rocky river bed and if it has more than 6 inches of water in it, it could be a real problem. Be prepared to eat some crow and turn around.

Pearl - Harder than everything except Napoleon (that I am familiar with). Rode it on the 640, from Aspen to CB. Encountered one 50 yard section that took us an hour to get 4 bikes across. Don't take this pass lightly either. Also, ran into snow at the pass (Aspen side) that we had to break trail through, AT THE END OF THE SUMMER! The message is the pass simply may not be open.


Now you really have me second-guessing this route.
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Old 07-12-2009, 01:56 PM   #42
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I've seen Wadenture ride his 640 up Hancock from the west side to the east. It takes some great riding to do that.

As far as the strom goes. I think that clearance is as big of an issue as anything. I've ridden with some large VStroms. That bike went over some really tuff stuff. But I would never take it on hancock.
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Old 07-13-2009, 06:19 AM   #43
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hancock is a mess, I have seen a 12gs go up it. He he did drop it thought

I've taken a KLR up it, you need focus but it is very doable. On that same tip though I've seen some guys on 450's struggle tring to get up it. So it really comes down to skill.

here's the guys on the small bikes working it. And to think they laughed at me on a KLR trying it.



here is a close up of the terrian, this guy was on a klr as well and we both cleaned this pass, but came down to help others up.



some times people just need some help




and even then there just so much you can do

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Old 07-13-2009, 06:39 AM   #44
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That looks like Schofield Pass...?

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Anyway, here is a file that has lots of the passes in it, plus the route I rode in CO last year. Lots of it will be good stuff for WF.
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I stand corrected thanks for the map that helps out alot. I didn't think Hancock was as bad as Schofield, But I came up from the south end which may have been a little easier.


edit: after zooming out it apears that I came in from the west sidebut the pass truns north there for a while

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