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Old 09-25-2011, 12:41 PM   #2731
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Speaking of big sharp things..,.

I'm awfully tempted by the Golock that Duluth Trading Company is selling.

Anyone bite on this yet? Any reviews (by knowledgeable users)? The review on the site looks like a shill.

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Old 09-25-2011, 04:48 PM   #2732
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Speaking of big sharp things..,.

I'm awfully tempted by the Golock that Duluth Trading Company is selling.

Anyone bite on this yet? Any reviews (by knowledgeable users)? The review on the site looks like a shill.

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14.5" blade its more macheté than golok, dont'cha think? Duluth is a good company though - got my folding pack saw from there and am happy with it.

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Old 09-25-2011, 04:59 PM   #2733
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Duluth is a good company though - got my folding pack saw from there and am happy with it.
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I've got some awesome work gloves from there.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:22 PM   #2734
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nice TTT, bladeforums is a dangerous place!!!!
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:46 PM   #2735
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Calling Smithy to the white courtesy phone! Metalurgy question!

I read a test between the RAT (Ontario) 3, and an ESEE 3 about two weeks ago. The ESSE 3 broke off right in front of the blade, under a sideways bend stress test, and the cheaper not as hardened (supposedly) RAT 3 sprang back under the same test and never broke. Is it because the ESEE is harder and more brittle?
DW was right, I was down in Knoxville until about 20 minutes ago. Gawd what a long drive.


As a general rule, knife companies keep the exact details of their process somewhat under wraps. My understanding is that ESEE bought out the RAT rights, but in doing so they probably changed the formula a bit. I would only speculate that in the process of securing more profit, a shortcut or less expensive heat treatment process might have occured, hence the break in the new product.

All things being equal (same steel source, same manufacturing process), the only thing I can think of that would cause that is poor heat treatment, something that allows retained untempered martensite, or allowed grain growth of the unforgivable kind.

Without access to good photography of the test knife, and the character of the break, it's really impossible to say... but that's how I'd lean.
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:05 PM   #2736
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Heres a 3 blade canoe Pattern & juust finished engraving - I like it - tom
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:07 PM   #2737
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:12 PM   #2738
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My understanding is that ESEE bought out the RAT rights, but in doing so they probably changed the formula a bit. I would only speculate that in the process of securing more profit, a shortcut or less expensive heat treatment process might have occured, hence the break in the new product.

I could be wrong here but I don't think that Esee bought out any rights to the RAT knife, they designed it, and as far as I know the RAT 3 is still manufactured by Ontario.

Esee (previously known as RAT Cutlery) uses Rowen Manufacturing for their knives and the previous RC branded knives. I believe that Rowen Manufacturing also produces TOPS knives as well.

I have seen very few of the Esee/RC knives have any issues whatsoever, but that's not to say that one didn't slip through the cracks.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:37 PM   #2739
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Smithy -

What's the blade length on my Golok?

I was shooting for 18" overall, I hope I didn't say 18" blade.

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Old 09-26-2011, 02:29 PM   #2740
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I could be wrong here but I don't think that Esee bought out any rights to the RAT knife, they designed it, and as far as I know the RAT 3 is still manufactured by Ontario.

Esee (previously known as RAT Cutlery) uses Rowen Manufacturing for their knives and the previous RC branded knives. I believe that Rowen Manufacturing also produces TOPS knives as well.

I have seen very few of the Esee/RC knives have any issues whatsoever, but that's not to say that one didn't slip through the cracks.
I reserve the right to be completely backwards on this... but I thought it was a buy-out, which usually means someone's making money on a deal, and money often comes at the expense of quality when the original name isn't on the product anymore.

If that's not the case here, then I politely retract my earlier comments concerning motivations... but my analysis of that sort of failure stands, and seems to me to lie in the heat treatment process. Maybe they just had a bad piece of steel that snuck through QC, or someone goofed a batch in the salts, or something that's really an outlier. I don't mean to besmirch a brand, just offering opinion on the cause, as asked.
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:29 PM   #2741
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Smithy -

What's the blade length on my Golok?

I was shooting for 18" overall, I hope I didn't say 18" blade.


I'll have to measure it when I get home today.
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Old 09-26-2011, 07:15 PM   #2742
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Smithy -

What's the blade length on my Golok?

I was shooting for 18" overall, I hope I didn't say 18" blade.


15 inches of edge, 19 3/4" overall. A bit more swoop to the blade, and the tip is more traditional machete curve than that blunted thing they have, though I could get a little closer to its look, I suppose. I don't like hacking someone else's design straight out, though, I feel it's a bit dishonest.

What would be the cat's ass, is to test mine and a proper Golok side by side and tell me which is better, and why.



Gotta finish it though. Grind, handle, clean up, sharpen, ship.
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Old 09-27-2011, 10:29 AM   #2743
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Old 09-27-2011, 02:34 PM   #2744
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Opening up now....



With little brother...



And the whole family...



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Old 09-27-2011, 04:43 PM   #2745
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the middle one has a mark/stain, you should get rid of that for a much cleaner one. I will take it off your hands for lets say $5 and shipping

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