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Old 12-12-2011, 09:35 PM   #3181
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Bought two this evening- one for each of my brothers. Should make for a cool Christmas


Damn you Sportsman's Warehouse
Should make for a quick christmas tree take down...
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:17 PM   #3182
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Got a couple for delivery today.



This is about actual size....cool. Almost 1/4in thick too. STRONG!
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:17 PM   #3183
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Bought two this evening- one for each of my brothers. Should make for a cool Christmas


Damn you Sportsman's Warehouse
How mmuch were they there? I need a couple more hawks for back yard fun.....
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:22 PM   #3184
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Thanks for the detailed answer! I guess in the end, the individual, hand crafted blade would win out in the long run. Some of the blades I've been looking at over on bladeforums.com are unbelievably beautiful tools that a factory couldn't ever hope to compete with. Mass production has its advantages, but your point about cost reduction efforts in the production process makes a lot of sense. One guy that builds the whole thing from start to finish has a lot more invested in what he does than an assembly line operation.

I suppose most of us have gotten used to a standard quality level (not only in knives, but a lot of things), that would make our ancestors cringe at the compromise.
I saw an extensive test somewhere and have seen many debates both pro and con arguing that most mass produced knives are just as "good" as hand made knives for general and even hard use. Personally, (and I hate to say this Smihy) I agree that this is true. HOWEVER, and this is a great BIG however, there is something about a hand made knife that a mass produced one just doesn't have. It is like the debate over purchasing a $3500.00 1911 over a $800.00 1911. Sure they both shoot great and work as well for 90% of shooting tasks, but the one hand picked parts 1911 that is all hand fitted ans assembled is just "Better".
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:24 PM   #3185
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Souls are expensive. Some knives have 'em, a lot don't.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:26 PM   #3186
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Souls are expensive. Some knives have 'em, a lot don't.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:29 PM   #3187
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:40 PM   #3188
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Your avatar creeps me out.
Yeah, he is such the Joker.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:41 PM   #3189
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Souls are expensive. Some knives have 'em, a lot don't.
True, but not all mass produced knives are soulless.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:51 PM   #3190
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I saw an extensive test somewhere and have seen many debates both pro and con arguing that most mass produced knives are just as "good" as hand made knives for general and even hard use. Personally, (and I hate to say this Smihy) I agree that this is true. HOWEVER, and this is a great BIG however, there is something about a hand made knife that a mass produced one just doesn't have. It is like the debate over purchasing a $3500.00 1911 over a $800.00 1911. Sure they both shoot great and work as well for 90% of shooting tasks, but the one hand picked parts 1911 that is all hand fitted ans assembled is just "Better".
I kind of go both ways. I've got more than one hand made knife. What you get with a hand made knife, normally, besides hand work and the one of a kind, is usually a better or different design, or more exotic steel - that is changing a bit, or you are getting a specific guys design work.

I own a handful of 'good' knives and a box of other cutting stuff. Some of the 'mass produced' are OK knives - the Buck Ranger I've had since like 8th grade or something comes to mind - it's a mass produced knife of no great steel. It's fine for use and I will say that the sheath, which is still in good shape, is the best one I've EVER had for folding belt knife.

But, There's something about a hand made - I've got a Passmore Special, and it's just the BEST folding knife I have ever used. No matter how much I use it, all it needs is cleaning and about once a year, sharpening. Even the screws dont' come loose anymore.

I got a nice Bob Dozier built drop point hunter, modelled after the Loveless design - I love the feel of that knife in the hand.

Same with the Tidewater Forge - talk about custom - great size in the hand due to custom design.

Most of the production knives I see today are too "Tactical" for me - I'm really not that style - I like to have materials that look good, not black plastic or all steel...
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:57 PM   #3191
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And I finally got back out to the shop this week - fighting for time and energy these days seems a challenge, I hope it gets better.

Look soon for DW's piece, and a couple others I've had "in work" for waaaaay too long, soon.
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Old 12-13-2011, 03:24 PM   #3192
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I have owned numerous mass produced knives some of which were very expensive. Never broke any knife. I have also owned many customs as well. At least twenty. Never broke any of them either. I can say that some of each are either hard to sharpen or easier depending on steel. I guess I don't use knives so damn hard I can tell any real world difference in longevity. I can tell a big difference in prestige sense I can tell a handmade (good one) from a mass production knife in some ways. I have a Buck 105 I have had since I was about 20, and at 53 I still LOVE that thing. It also still looks brand new. But I don't abuse my knives.
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:16 PM   #3193
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True, but not all mass produced knives are soulless.
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Soul in a knife is not something that is immediately gifted to a blade that is hand done or takes a long time to make. Sudo-high profile makers do not posse an exclusive gift to bestow a blade with a soul. In fact I would say that most high dollar celebrity or self-important high dollar makers create more soulless blades then ones with soul.
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:40 PM   #3194
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Look soon for DW's piece, and a couple others I've had "in work" for waaaaay too long, soon.
Tease.

Re: Soul : if the blade is stamped "China" or "Pakistan", it ain't there.

P.S. Sorry, pilot.
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:18 PM   #3195
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Tease.

Re: Soul : if the blade is stamped "China" or "Pakistan", it ain't there.

P.S. Sorry, pilot.
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