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Old 12-25-2008, 06:40 PM   #1
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How wide can a sidecar outfit be?

Need some info please.I have my Goldwing sidecar for sale on ebay and a lad messaged me saying that the setup is to wide for rego in NSW+VIC? We live in SA. He said that the max is 1850 Mine is 2150. Can anyone help me out here please. If he is right i will have to take it of ebay and keep it or only sell it in SA.
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Old 12-25-2008, 07:00 PM   #2
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Old 12-25-2008, 08:05 PM   #3
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Technically he's right.Pre '93? motorcycles are allowed to be wider overall but later models are supposed to be 1850mm or under.But.....as you can see by mine,which is 2050mm,nobody generally knows or cares about it.To be honest I rang the RTA hotline 3 times and talked to 3 different blokes and none of them could find this rule.They all told me that 2.5m was the allowed maximum width.I also visited the RTA pits and they also gave me the same answer even though I know 1850mm was the correct overall width and believe me they looked very hard for it.

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Old 12-25-2008, 08:22 PM   #4
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Thank you A2 . Son in law that lives in NSW is going to check it out for me next week to be sure.
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Old 12-25-2008, 10:00 PM   #5
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Thank you A2 . Son in law that lives in NSW is going to check it out for me next week to be sure.
I doubt very much that he'll find the 1850mm rule but it is there somewhere.What year is your Goldwing?.

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Old 12-25-2008, 10:25 PM   #6
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Width and mass are covered by two ADRs and apply throughout Australia.

Australian Design Rule No. 57/00, Special Requirements For L-group
Vehicles.

Applicable to vehicles manufactured on or after 1 July 1988

57.2 REQUIREMENTS
57.2.1 Side-cars
57.2.1.1 A side-car must not be so attached to a vehicle
nor must it be of such mass or dimensions as to prevent
the driver from safely driving the vehicle or from having a
sufficient view to the front, rear and either side of the
vehicle to enable the vehicle to be driven with safety.
57.2.1.2 A side-car must not be attached to the right-hand
side of a vehicle.

Australian Design Rule No. 43/02, Vehicle Configuration and Dimensions.

Applicable to vehicles manufactured on or after 1 March 1992

43.4.5 ‘Overall Width’ (including any ‘Equipment’)
43.4.5.1 The ‘Overall Width’ of any motor vehicle
(other than an L-Group vehicle) or trailer shall not exceed
2,500 mm.
43.4.5.2 The ‘Overall Width’ of an L-Group vehicle
shall be as follows :
43.4.5.2.1 In the case of a two wheel vehicle (LA or
LC), the maximum width shall not exceed 1,000 mm.
43.4.5.2.2 In the case of a three wheel vehicle (LB or
LE) or a motor cycle with a side car (LD), the maximum
width shall not exceed 1,850 mm.

Any sidecar attached to a motorcycle manufactured on or after 1 March 1992 resulting in a combined width greater than 1,850 mm is legally unregisterable. Even if the local authority registers it, it's unroadworthy and will invalidate your insurances, including the compulsory Third Party/Greenslip. No problems until something goes wrong - you'll be charged with unregistered and uninsured and will have to pay for everyone's damaged even if you were in the right. It's quite amazing how knowlegable insurance companies are when trying to avoid payouts.
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Old 12-25-2008, 11:07 PM   #7
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Width and mass are covered by two ADRs and apply throughout Australia.

Australian Design Rule No. 57/00, Special Requirements For L-group
Vehicles.

Applicable to vehicles manufactured on or after 1 July 1988

57.2 REQUIREMENTS
57.2.1 Side-cars
57.2.1.1 A side-car must not be so attached to a vehicle
nor must it be of such mass or dimensions as to prevent
the driver from safely driving the vehicle or from having a
sufficient view to the front, rear and either side of the
vehicle to enable the vehicle to be driven with safety.
57.2.1.2 A side-car must not be attached to the right-hand
side of a vehicle.

Australian Design Rule No. 43/02, Vehicle Configuration and Dimensions.

Applicable to vehicles manufactured on or after 1 March 1992

43.4.5 ‘Overall Width’ (including any ‘Equipment’)
43.4.5.1 The ‘Overall Width’ of any motor vehicle
(other than an L-Group vehicle) or trailer shall not exceed
2,500 mm.
43.4.5.2 The ‘Overall Width’ of an L-Group vehicle
shall be as follows :
43.4.5.2.1 In the case of a two wheel vehicle (LA or
LC), the maximum width shall not exceed 1,000 mm.
43.4.5.2.2 In the case of a three wheel vehicle (LB or
LE) or a motor cycle with a side car (LD), the maximum
width shall not exceed 1,850 mm.

Any sidecar attached to a motorcycle manufactured on or after 1 March 1992 resulting in a combined width greater than 1,850 mm is legally unregisterable. Even if the local authority registers it, it's unroadworthy and will invalidate your insurances, including the compulsory Third Party/Greenslip. No problems until something goes wrong - you'll be charged with unregistered and uninsured and will have to pay for everyone's damaged even if you were in the right. It's quite amazing how knowlegable insurance companies are when trying to avoid payouts.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to chime in with your doom and gloom.Do you work for the RTA by any chance?.Police maybe?.Bored retiree? or just an anorak?.I've got it,insurance comany.
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Old 12-25-2008, 11:58 PM   #8
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I'm inclined to you agree with you there A2. Despite all that other gobbledeegook, I'd reckon your previous comments are spot on. i.e. nobody from officialdom central really knows or gives a shit. Chris's Tuck Truck has the same width (track) as a landcruiser and AFAIK he hasn't has a problem
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Old 12-26-2008, 12:09 AM   #9
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G'day Neal,how was your Christmas?.Hope Santa was kind to you and your family.There's too many rules and officialdom these days.I reckon just get out there and ride as long as your safe doing so.I've got an engineers certificate with my outfit so if he thinks it's safe then I'm happy with that.I'm going to do what I originally had planned and that is build my own sidecar.It'll be a lot like Chris's but there's no way I'm going back to get another blue slip.I know a lot of guy's who have'nt even bothered to get their bikes rego changed over,they just bolted it on and had fun.

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Old 12-26-2008, 12:28 AM   #10
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I doubt very much that he'll find the 1850mm rule but it is there somewhere.What year is your Goldwing?.

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Compliance plate on the bike is for 1988. USA made. Has a second compliance plate from Quensland with 2004 on it. So it must have been imported in to Australia then.
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Old 12-26-2008, 12:46 AM   #11
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G'day Neal,how was your Christmas?.Hope Santa was kind to you and your family.There's too many rules and officialdom these days.I reckon just get out there and ride as long as your safe doing so.I've got an engineers certificate with my outfit so if he thinks it's safe then I'm happy with that.I'm going to do what I originally had planned and that is build my own sidecar.It'll be a lot like Chris's but there's no way I'm going back to get another blue slip.I know a lot of guy's who have'nt even bothered to get their bikes rego changed over,they just bolted it on and had fun.

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G'day Andrew. Christmas was good. A quiet one with my son and his partner and family. I was a bit sore this morning though Bloody red!!! Gets me every time How was yours?
Yeah, you're right...just get out there and ride. I'm as good as a dead certainty for an outfit now. I finally had to concede that with bits and pieces wearing out it might be wise to just accept the inevitable. Just have to decide on a bike and then build the chair. Like you, I've got something like Chis's in mind, already started drawing things up. All we have to do now is convince Nev to hack the big orange and con him into another big lap. I've got vague plans of having something rideable for the next OCR and then just continuing north.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:13 AM   #12
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I had a good one thanks mate.For once I did'nt eat to much.I don't think Nev will put a chair on the KTM for some reason.Looks like there might be a few sidecars doing a lap of Oz in 2010.One thing to consider when looking at a donar bike is power,or lack of it in my experience.The Guzzi California outfit I had definately lacked enough power to safely overtake.The GSA seems about the lower limit to me (90hp).If I were to do it again I would go a GSX1400.I would also have a smaller chair or at least less frontal area or maybe lower so as to give less drag at cruising speeds.Also consider I've lost about 150km out of my tank since I've attached the chair.

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I had a good one thanks mate.For once I did'nt eat to much.I don't think Nev will put a chair on the KTM for some reason.Looks like there might be a few sidecars doing a lap of Oz in 2010.One thing to consider when looking at a donar bike is power,or lack of it in my experience.The Guzzi California outfit I had definately lacked enough power to safely overtake.The GSA seems about the lower limit to me (90hp).If I were to do it again I would go a GSX1400.I would also have a smaller chair or at least less frontal area or maybe lower so as to give less drag at cruising speeds.Also consider I've lost about 150km out of my tank since I've attached the chair.

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At the moment I'm looking at 1000 minimum for the tug, Steel basic frame chair obviously, but the rest will be aluminium, varying gauges, from 3mm checker plate, down to 1mm for the main box. On board fuel tank, possibly a winch like the tuck truck, and an on board auxilliary battery with maybe some solar charging option. Small frontal area, wedge shaped nose box, tank above the axle line, fridge at the back. Probably not as high as the tuck truck though. I'm a bit surprised you've lost so much in range though. I wouldn't have imagined it would be that much. But hey, there's always a cost
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:56 AM   #14
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Very interesting

Would my Diversion 900 have enough grunt? 90hp. Shaft drive.
I would think it mite handle a small chair OK.
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This is my ideal chair.



I'd still like to make one like it
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