How wide can a sidecar outfit be?

[lout]

An angry little man that Oppozit.

Clancy, I will be in Melbourne for the Island Classic on the Jan long weekend,

If you want to have a look at a GSX 14 I'll be happy to cruise past your place.

Mine was built by SRK in Bathurst,

[johno]

Richard-NL, I was reffering to Australian rules for width being universal for every state.

Last time I looked we arent in Europe

[Dave81]

Just checked this thread you posted up A2.
Seems oppozit should take a leaf out of his own book.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358193
This from the man himself
"Slagging a person in public is the sort of thing that you can be sued for here. How else do you think our politicians get so rich?"
In the end if this "dickhead" so he kindly put it to you has nothing postive to contribute just take it with a grain of salt.

[Clancy]

Originally Posted by lout

An angry little man that Oppozit.

Clancy, I will be in Melbourne for the Island Classic on the Jan long weekend,

If you want to have a look at a GSX 14 I'll be happy to cruise past your place.

Mine was built by SRK in Bathurst,

Thanks mate. There's a bed here if you need one too. Not sure yet but I might be going to the Island myself. It's either the Classic at the Island, or the Sprintcar Classic at Warnambool.

[pops]

Relisted the goldwing again on ebay .The first Question i get is about the width ?. Still waiting for the shops to open Andrew. So no prices yet on the wheels and the leading link. Maybe this week.

[Bad Cat Racing]

First thing I thought of was DethKlok

For those who haven't seen the band's sidecar...

[Ural Australia]

Originally Posted by pops

Relisted the goldwing again on ebay .The first Question i get is about the width ?. Still waiting for the shops to open Andrew. So no prices yet on the wheels and the leading link. Maybe this week.

pops, get anyone enquiring about width to contact the engineering/technical branch of their State RTA equivalent. Local registries only work off cheat sheets which don't explain exceptions.

I registered my double adult last year in Brisbane and had the usual problems. I was worried about mass (too high etc), they were worried about width. It's 1875 mm even though my working criteria was 1800 mm, I just didn't feel comfortable with such a small gap between handlebar and sidecar, plus 1875 allowed me to relocate the spare to between bike and sidecar.

They refused to register it, I said it was legal and to contact their engineering section. After a lot of toing and froing they gave me the phone to the technical assessor. As soon as he heard it was a 1971 bike (at least frame-wise) he asked a few basic questions and then told the local office to register the outfit. The biggest problem was deciding whether the bike required a mod plate for the single seat. As an outfit with passenger carrying capacity - it doesn't. Though if it did have a mod plate that would need to be cleared before the outfit could be registered!

Local offices often give wrong advice, not because they hate us, but because motorcycles are on the fringe of their day-to-day business, and sidecars are the tattered and torn fringe.

[pops]

Thank you Ural Australia. I have done that to a few people that have been enquiring about the width of our goldwing. One said that he has checked it out with the Vic RTA and it would not be a problem in to register As long as it is under 2500 wide and the bike is a 1988 build. Any photos of your setup please.
Thanking you Ian.

[Ural Australia]

Hi Ian,

No pictures as yet. One, I need to get a new camera, and two, it's not very photogenic as its still in pink wood primer. It's also too bloody heavy! A little bit overbuilt. Ever since I got it registered I've been battling chronic arthritis and been incapable of doing too much - which means the mind has been in overdrive and I've worked out ways of cutting weight in half and making the structure even stronger.

So body no. 3 is likely soon. Body 1 was a proof of concept built in Russia and never really intended to be registered. It showed that the pure teardrop/egg shape doesn't allow for a true double adult chair unless you make it ridiculously large. It also showed that even the best drawings cover up big problems. Who forgot about handlebar swing and mirrors? But building it allowed a master woodworker to show me the techniques needed to accurately make the angled joints required.

Body 2 proved the benefits of plywood laminated foam construction and that even muggins can build a good chair.

I intend to fully document the construction of body 3 and publish it and the plans on a website as a thank-you to the other sidecarists who have made it possible. Alexandr Bulanov of the Irbit State Motorcycle Museum who allowed me to climb all over their DA BSA Busmar outfit, taking pictures and measurements, Hal Kendall for his invaluable measurements of Busmar and Canterbury chairs, Doug Bingham of Sidestrider for his photos and information of his own DA chairs.

Regards,

Stephen.

[McCardigan]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

G'day Jim,
not sure about the first picture but as Neal said the second one looks like the sidecar rally on the Murray.Neither photos are mine.

A2

G/day Andrew

Back home and on line again.

I took the photo's, top one was at the WinterSun rally in Mildura June 2006.
and lower one at a Vic Sidecar rally. Both are of John Cecil's outfit.
The top photo is when he was packed and heading for the Off Centre Rally at Gascoyne Junction via the Simpson Dessert and the Canning Stock route travlling with Harry the Dutchman on his K outfit, which they successfully completed, unsupported by any 4wd.
Note the winches fitted to the outfits.




The black fairing is a universal one, bought at some swap meet.

Cheers

[johno]

Chris, is that bloke from Adelaide??
Was at BMW in Adelaide early last year, and there was a bloke with a K outfit there that day. Looked like it had been around a bit . Was the release of the new F650GS twin.

[Andrew2]

Chris,what sort of winch is that.

Is there any reason a boat winch( $140) can't be used instead of paying $1100+ for a Warne winch.

A2

[McCardigan]

Originally Posted by johno

Chris, is that bloke from Adelaide??
Was at BMW in Adelaide early last year, and there was a bloke with a K outfit there that day. Looked like it had been around a bit . Was the release of the new F650GS twin.

Could well have been Harry, he does get around a bit as you have noticed, but he lives in Jerramungup in SW West Oz, Cecil lives in Bendigo.

Cheers

[McCardigan]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Chris,what sort of winch is that.

Is there any reason a boat winch( $140) can't be used instead of paying $1100+ for a Warne winch.

A2

G/day Andrew

Nope, just that it need more effort then an electrical one

The winch on Harry's is hand driven, Johns electric winch was a cheap chinese model and burnt out after a few goes.

BTW I paid less then $700 Aus for a 3000lb genuine Warne out of the States 12 months ago and have 2 deep cell batteries to power it.

Cheers

[Andrew2]

Originally Posted by chris McArdle

G/day AndrewNope, just that it need more effort then an electrical oneCheers

I meant to say an electric boat winch Chris.