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Old 08-31-2011, 07:46 AM   #2011
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I seem to remember a similar situation in Florida a few years ago. Jump plane full of sky-divers augering in. Someone even caught it on video.

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Old 08-31-2011, 07:47 AM   #2012
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My guess is the spin was intentional... kept the aircraft in the jumper camera's field of view, along with the other jumpers.

It spun for a long time... recovered when the after the last jumper exited.

Watch the pilots during rotation... they didn't seem to initiate recovery for a long time.

Aircraft recovered with no drama from slow rotation... makes me think it was intentional.

Cover story was necessary to prevent loss of license.

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Old 08-31-2011, 07:53 AM   #2013
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My guess is the spin was intentional... kept the aircraft in the jumper camera's field of view, along with the other jumpers.

It spun for a long time... recovered when the after the last jumper exited.

Watch the pilots during rotation... they didn't seem to initiate recovery for a long time.

Aircraft recovered with no drama from slow rotation... makes me think it was intentional.

Cover story was necessary to prevent loss of license.

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That's what I was thinking.

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Old 08-31-2011, 08:27 AM   #2014
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My guess is the spin was intentional... kept the aircraft in the jumper camera's field of view, along with the other jumpers.

It spun for a long time... recovered when the after the last jumper exited.

Watch the pilots during rotation... they didn't seem to initiate recovery for a long time.

Aircraft recovered with no drama from slow rotation... makes me think it was intentional.

Cover story was necessary to prevent loss of license.

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The guy who was taking the paraplegic chap says not.

Some debate going on here;

http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=83041
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:43 AM   #2015
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I'd bet those involved are sticking to the cover story...

At 3:30 and after, those in the aircraft are relaxed. The jumpers remaining are casually checking their altimeters, waiting for their exit altitude. The pilots are relaxed, with the stall fully developed. No one as any sense of urgency.

My experiences in flight were that when something went wrong, we became very focused.

This looks to be a Turbo Beaver, an STOL aircraft that would be difficult to inadvertently stall in level flight... especially after half its load has departed.

Interesting to note that neither pilot wore a chute. Not exactly kosher.

Just my thoughts...

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Old 08-31-2011, 08:49 AM   #2016
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I just wouldn't think it'd be a smart idea, to spin an aircraft, with people exiting at the same time, much less spinning it loaded with people, in the first place...
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:59 AM   #2017
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:11 AM   #2018
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My guess is the spin was intentional... kept the aircraft in the jumper camera's field of view, along with the other jumpers.

It spun for a long time... recovered when the after the last jumper exited.

Watch the pilots during rotation... they didn't seem to initiate recovery for a long time.

Aircraft recovered with no drama from slow rotation... makes me think it was intentional.

Cover story was necessary to prevent loss of license.

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That was exactly my thought, despite the text saying it was an accident. Way too slow to initiate recovery if it wasn't intentional. Besides, spins are fun.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:15 AM   #2019
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The plane is a turbine conversion of an ex South African Air Force plane called a Kudu built under licence from these guys;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_AL-60

The conversion does good things to the hp obviously.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:28 AM   #2020
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My guess is the spin was intentional... kept the aircraft in the jumper camera's field of view, along with the other jumpers.

It spun for a long time... recovered when the after the last jumper exited.

Watch the pilots during rotation... they didn't seem to initiate recovery for a long time.

Aircraft recovered with no drama from slow rotation... makes me think it was intentional.

Cover story was necessary to prevent loss of license.

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the jumpers in the back did nothing to help the AFT cg situation. no, jumpers did not go up to intentional try a spin....and the one dude was going for the door until camera guy stopped him due to his reserve handle flopping all over the place. it was chaos...they didn;t look that calm and the plane in a spin would descend vertical in the field of view of the tandem pair. ...then they grounded the plane pending a stress analysis...

Pilot failed to maintain airspeed during jumper climbout. nose over when changing the weight and balance and adding alot of parasitic drag......yeah, I've flown many skydiver loads....
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:19 AM   #2021
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Houston we have a problem.... Spinning and skydiving...





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Old 08-31-2011, 10:21 AM   #2022
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The aircraft is a Kudu... http://www.angelskydive.co.za/atlasa...th-africa.html

Turbo conversion, STOL, similar in design and utility to the Turbo Beaver...

Pilot in the red shirt seems casual... looks back, visits with the remaining jumpers while spinning.

If the spin was not planned, why did the remaining jumpers remain with the aircraft while sitting in the door?

Grounding the plane to check for stress furthers the cover story of accidental standard flight departure with late recovery.

I still believe the aircraft spin was part of the photo op... but that's just my opinion.

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Old 08-31-2011, 11:10 AM   #2023
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May not have been intentional, but the pilot(s) held it in the spin. If you look at the elevator where it shows up at least twice in the vid, it appears to be held in the up position. That would keep the a/c stalled, and it would spin as long as the rudder input was held.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:37 AM   #2024
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My guess is the spin was intentional... kept the aircraft in the jumper camera's field of view, along with the other jumpers.

It spun for a long time... recovered when the after the last jumper exited.

Watch the pilots during rotation... they didn't seem to initiate recovery for a long time.

Aircraft recovered with no drama from slow rotation... makes me think it was intentional.

Cover story was necessary to prevent loss of license.

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Looks like a Pilatus Porter to me. I have many skydives out of one of those.

The only difference I can see is the Porter I remember (when I was back in the UK, reg G-OAPA, I think) the door was on the right. It could carry nine jumpers I think. That plane can descend so fast, I have memories of jumping out of it an 12,000 ft, free-falling to around 3,000 ft, deploying my parachute and then looking down to see the plane landing and picking up the next load of jumpers. It would be back in the air, on its way to jump altitude before my feet were on the ground.
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:53 AM   #2025
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Wings Over Wine Country 2011

I was at the Wings Over Wine Country airshow in Santa Rosa, CA a couple of weeks ago, and snapped these:

http://photos.boggis.com/wowc_2011
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