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Old 02-16-2012, 08:45 AM   #2641
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Anyone have any details/inside info about this?

http://www.gizmag.com/agustawestland...m_medium=email
That means I have a chance at seeing it fly around!

Bell's production facility is just a couple of miles down the road from us.

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Old 02-16-2012, 02:42 PM   #2642
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I just posted this over in the Thread of Awesome, but figured it belongs here, too



Alaska, USA, Two Soviet MiG-29 aircraft en route to an air show in British Columbia, Canada, are intercepted by F-15 Eagle aircraft of the 21st Tactical Fighter Wing. The Soviet MiG-29s are, for the first time, traveling to the Abbotsford International Airshow in Abbotsford, BC, Canada, to participate in the August 1989 airshow. The USAF F-15 Eagle interceptors actively guarding North American and United States of America's airspace are with the 21st Tactical Fighter Wing, headquartered at Elmendorf Air Force Base (AFB), Alaska, USA.

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Old 02-17-2012, 02:10 AM   #2643
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Anyone have any details/inside info about this?

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They were supposed to cost around $8 million but I heard they'll be triple that when it's done.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:50 AM   #2644
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They were supposed to cost around $8 million but I heard they'll be triple that when it's done.
If they make it to the civilian world where will they get the pilots? If they have to be trained, who will foot the bill?
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:47 PM   #2645
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If they make it to the civilian world where will they get the pilots? If they have to be trained, who will foot the bill?
Agusta most likely will train the pilots initially with simulators, I'm thinking. The hiring government will pay if you're parapublic.

The GI Bill will pay if you're ex military and if you're a private citizen you pay them as part of the purchase price of the aircraft.

The FAA hasn't written any regs for pilot certification yet so I'm just guessing it would probably fall under the rotorcraft category with its own class, ie rotorcraft helicopter, rotorcraft gyroplane, rotorcraft....widowmaker?!

Also, since gross takeoff weight is above 12,500 lbs you'll need a type certificate.

This is my best guess though.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:08 PM   #2646
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Agusta most likely will train the pilots initially with simulators, I'm thinking. The hiring government will pay if you're parapublic.

The GI Bill will pay if you're ex military and if you're a private citizen you pay them as part of the purchase price of the aircraft.

The FAA hasn't written any regs for pilot certification yet so I'm just guessing it would probably fall under the rotorcraft category with its own class, ie rotorcraft helicopter, rotorcraft gyroplane, rotorcraft....widowmaker?!

Also, since gross takeoff weight is above 12,500 lbs you'll need a type certificate.

This is my best guess though.
I can't help thinking the compliance and running costs would keep these things in government hands. How would you get a return as a private operator?

After seeing the tornado these things whip up, it also seems they will be restricted in where they can operate.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:53 AM   #2647
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I don't want to be.....

....the first civilian operator to have an engine failure on take-off on a downtown rooftop helipad.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:23 AM   #2648
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Different type of aviation....

Great Video!

http://www.arkive.org/osprey/pandion.../video-00.html

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Old 02-18-2012, 11:49 AM   #2649
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I've always thought a cloudhopper would be a great deal of fun

Sadly, the price just makes it too impractical. Oh well, at least I can dream
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:42 PM   #2650
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....the first civilian operator to have an engine failure on take-off on a downtown rooftop helipad.
I suspect it will have system similar to that of the Osprey which will transfer power to the other side to help recover. Now if both engines fail...
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:55 PM   #2651
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I've often wondered why they left the engines out on the wing tips if they're going to be interconnected.

Would it not be a little more compact (or safe for the ground crew) if they kept the engines inboard, maybe on top of the fuselage and just ran a main gear with shafts out to the wingtips?
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:19 PM   #2652
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I've often wondered why they left the engines out on the wing tips if they're going to be interconnected.

Would it not be a little more compact (or safe for the ground crew) if they kept the engines inboard, maybe on top of the fuselage and just ran a main gear with shafts out to the wingtips?
Good question.This is what Eurocopter did. Props are stationary though. There is a drive shaft running through the wing in the 609 so that if one engine is inop the remaining engine will allow powered flight.

The Osprey and the 609 are designed to autorotate in case both engines quit. Hopefully the pilot has enough altitude and airspeed to make a survivable landing.

The 609 is much lighter than the Osprey so downwash during hover wouldn't be as severe.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:24 PM   #2653
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Props are stationary though.

Eh?
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Eh?
I.E. they don't rotate up or down.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:38 PM   #2655
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Good question.This is what Eurocopter did. Props are stationary though. There is a drive shaft running through the wing in the 609 so that if one engine is inop the remaining engine will allow powered flight.

The Osprey and the 609 are designed to autorotate in case both engines quit. Hopefully the pilot has enough altitude and airspeed to make a survivable landing.

The 609 is much lighter than the Osprey so downwash during hover wouldn't be as severe.
Can someone in the know explain the point or philosophy of having the outboard props? Speed? Cruising efficiency?
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