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Old 06-13-2012, 05:53 AM   #3046
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To add to the real world variables try and see if MS flight simulator can add a wet runway component .
And a high crosswind component.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:12 AM   #3047
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And a high crosswind component.
Watch out Klay there just tryin to kill you !!!
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:19 AM   #3048
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That is the really fun part of the simulators here. We can add crosswinds, tail winds, wind shear, thunderstorms, lightning, hail, blizzards, turbulence, aircraft on a collision course, massive system failures....pretty much everything you would never want to really experience.

Even when you know it's just a simulation and the worst you'll get is the "red screen of death", it still gets the blood pumping and adrenaline flowing!
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:18 AM   #3049
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I think Klay was trying to replicate the Lear 60 going off the runway at Aspen so I suggested adding real world variables, +10 ref, 10 kts tailwind, 1 dot high on the VASI, wet runway, and fly the approach. In a sim with thunderstorms, systems failures and such, and while those hazards do indeed happen I was trying to illustrate the more insidious factors which I think represents how many accidents occur. Normally you "can get away" with one of those out of bounds parameters, they may not even be well recognized, but two or more and it will be interesting. It may show that accidents aren't so simple as "those stupid pilots" F'ed up that one tends to hear rather often.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:44 AM   #3050
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Aspen is a pretty sporty approach even without any variables, but you are correct. It's the subtle, insidious issues that bite us in the butt most often.

Still, throwing the "Wing Off" light every now and then is fun...
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:52 AM   #3051
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OK then, Lockheed had a L1011 sim in Palmdale with an airport named Anytown USA, 4000 ft runway. The goal was to land and stop. At the very end of the runway was a McDonald's.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:56 AM   #3052
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Could you use the drive-thru?
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:02 AM   #3053
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z5HtME9n8

Tegucigalpa, Honduras Toncontin airport.

That defines sporty landings.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:39 AM   #3054
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:21 AM   #3055
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That is the really fun part of the simulators here. We can add crosswinds, tail winds, wind shear, thunderstorms, lightning, hail, blizzards, turbulence, aircraft on a collision course, massive system failures....pretty much everything you would never want to really experience.

Even when you know it's just a simulation and the worst you'll get is the "red screen of death", it still gets the blood pumping and adrenaline flowing!
Well...in our world of sims you can add the biggest failure of all...failure of the check ride...not yet for me but who knows...?
"Red Screen of Death" means bank account in the red due to lack of employment...That"s what gets "the blood pumping and adrenaline flowing".
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:35 AM   #3056
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OK then, Lockheed had a L1011 sim in Palmdale with an airport named Anytown USA, 4000 ft runway. The goal was to land and stop. At the very end of the runway was a McDonald's.
Flight Safety in San Antonio has the military version of the Metroliner landing on an aircraft carrier. You had to know the only trick that would allow you to land it successfully, on the stick shaker and stall warning blaring until short final and as the stick pusher came on overpower the 60 lbs of pressure and stall it on. Easy when you know...That's how we weeded out overconfident know it all hot shots. Their standard response was "yeah well you do it!"

Of course that was circa Top Gun when all pilots had to have Ray Bans and a rice rocket...
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Beamer, you didn't by chance fly the "San Antonio Sewer Pipe" for Conquest at one point, did you?
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:05 PM   #3058
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Beamer, you didn't by chance fly the "San Antonio Sewer Pipe" for Conquest at one point, did you?
No, but at one point I was training pilot for Aerolitoral (sent there by the manufacturer) operating under the call sign of "Costera". I recall coming into San Antonio from Monterey (MX) for the first time upgrading a captain to instructor and having ATC re-assign all traffic around us... way too many close calls...due to poor English mostly...even though the OPS Spec to operate in US required one crew member fluent in English.
I had to visit the Center occasionally to explain certain altitude and heading deviation for the guys...
But overall good people and company to deal with.
Reason I got there?
Apparently US instructors had no patience with the pilots.

BTW I prefer the term "San Antonio Lawn Dart"...
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:32 PM   #3059
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No, but at one point I was training pilot for Aerolitoral (sent there by the manufacturer) operating under the call sign of "Costera". I recall coming into San Antonio from Monterey (MX) for the first time upgrading a captain to instructor and having ATC re-assign all traffic around us... way too many close calls...due to poor English mostly...even though the OPS Spec to operate in US required one crew member fluent in English.
I had to visit the Center occasionally to explain certain altitude and heading deviation for the guys...
But overall good people and company to deal with.
Reason I got there?
Apparently US instructors had no patience with the pilots.

BTW I prefer the term "San Antonio Lawn Dart"...

The Metros were interesting planes. When you mentioned FlightSafety here in San Antonio I thought you might have flown them. I remember Aerolitoral had them too, now.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:49 PM   #3060
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The Metros were interesting planes. When you mentioned FlightSafety here in San Antonio I thought you might have flown them. I remember Aerolitoral had them too, now.
26 of them, biggest operator I think, and 3 Saabs
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