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Old 07-15-2012, 08:59 PM   #3421
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read ALL of the I love helicopters thread / helicopters R us (or what ever its called)

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Old 07-16-2012, 02:35 AM   #3422
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The most common traininer in the US is the R22. You will need at least 200 hours in helicopters to teach in it, due to insurance requirements. It also has some special requirements for time in it to solo and teach.

What all this means is that the old route of getting a a commercial license in the fixed wing first and then adding on a helicopter rating doesn't help you when you will be competing for jobs with guys with more time in helicopters and enough time in type and helos to meet the insurance requirements.

That said, if you just want to do it for fun and the money isnt and issue then go for it, any instructor will love you.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:50 AM   #3423
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The most common traininer in the US is the R22. You will need at least 200 hours in helicopters to teach in it, due to insurance requirements. It also has some special requirements for time in it to solo and teach.

What all this means is that the old route of getting a a commercial license in the fixed wing first and then adding on a helicopter rating doesn't help you when you will be competing for jobs with guys with more time in helicopters and enough time in type and helos to meet the insurance requirements.

That said, if you just want to do it for fun and the money isnt and issue then go for it, any instructor will love you.
The R22 is the only trainer in Australia, as far as I know. As I mentioned, I'm under no illusions about leaping into a new career. I'm about twenty years to late for that. It was more about bang for your buck, but I guess either way it still gets expensive.

Money certainly is an issue and I have to work extra hours and be very disciplined about stashing the cash. I'm pretty sure I won't be solo in 55 hours, but if it means paying a bit extra to have someone sitting beside me I'm quite happy to do it to go flying. As you mentioned, I'm sure the instructors won't argue.
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Old 07-16-2012, 05:03 AM   #3424
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Dual for an R22 locally is $240 (US of course), and that's pretty reasonable as far as I know.
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Old 07-16-2012, 05:57 AM   #3425
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Dual for an R22 locally is $240 (US of course), and that's pretty reasonable as far as I know.
That is what it is at my local FBO.. Dual on a 152 is $140 so I opted to do the PP fixed wing and then the rotorwing add on.

Some of the things to look for when looking at schools are that the school is a part 141 training facility, that there are 3 or 4 instructors to train with and take a close look at the aircraft they are using to make sure they are well maintained.

For the fixed wing part I highly recommend looking for a Cessna training center.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:46 AM   #3426
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STOLEN...from the "Pic's you took last week thread," and submitted there by easyrider5258. The F-5 and it's brother, the T-38 always appeared so graceful to me. I know nothing of this aircraft's combat abilities, but it is a thing of beauty, for certain.

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Old 07-16-2012, 09:05 AM   #3427
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"Crab" into the wind.
Kidding aside, If you're serious about learning to fly keep in mind that there's a lot more to it than just steering the plane (or helo).

It sounds like you may be doing this in Australia. I don't know what is required to get certified as a pilot there but I would assume you'll have to pass some sort of written exam(s).

The "book" learning portion of the process is less exciting than the flying portion, but it is probably the most important. You could probably teach a monkey to steer a plane, but you can't teach him about aerodynamics and all of the other things things he needs to know to keep from killing himself (or getting a violation from the government). You also can't teach him sound judgement and critical thinking skills.

Learn all you can about weather, navigation, airspace, regulations, aerodynamics, your aircraft's systems and performance, etc. You can probably get the books and get started on these before you actually start taking lessons.

Sooner or later just about every pilot will get into a situation that requires just about all of their skill and knowledge to survive. I've been in a few of those in my 26 year flying career. The more you know, the safer you'll be, and the less likely you'll be to get in over your head to begin with, and there is always something new to learn about flying.

Good luck, and have fun. You won't regret your decision to learn to fly. Even though I fly for a "job" , I still enjoy every minute of it.

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Old 07-16-2012, 12:50 PM   #3428
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I think that's a F20 version of the F5. They added avionics, some clean-up, and bigger engines and went out to sell it. They didn't get many takers, but looks like the Swiss bought it. Its not heavily armed but the plane had a 30,000 fpm climb capability. The Austrians expressed interest in it too, and maybe they bought it. In a unusual bit of candor or humor they said they'd be interested in it because they be on alert and then can climb up in a hurry and see who's attacking them so they'd know who to surrender to.
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:24 PM   #3429
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I think that's a F20 version of the F5. They added avionics, some clean-up, and bigger engines and went out to sell it. They didn't get many takers, but looks like the Swiss bought it. Its not heavily armed but the plane had a 30,000 fpm climb capability. The Austrians expressed interest in it too, and maybe they bought it. In a unusual bit of candor or humor they said they'd be interested in it because they be on alert and then can climb up in a hurry and see who's attacking them so they'd know who to surrender to.
Nope, it's an F-5. The F-20 was a single engine. One...big...single...engine. And nobody bought it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:00 PM   #3430
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Nope, it's an F-5. The F-20 was a single engine. One...big...single...engine. And nobody bought it.
And that was a DAMN shame. That plane was gorgeous!

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Old 07-16-2012, 02:13 PM   #3431
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:23 PM   #3432
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F20/F5. Let the record show I stand corrected.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:55 PM   #3433
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:54 PM   #3434
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great pic of a gorgeous aircraft
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A lot of rare images and commentary on the production line work from world war 2
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