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Old 11-27-2012, 07:53 PM   #3871
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Flying high and fast was also obsoleted (is that a word?) with the advent of long range stand off weapons (think cruise missiles) The B52 became the choice simply as a delivery vehicle capable of carrying a much wider variety of weapons to within range of the targets. Also while I'm on a roll, the B1 was (is) very limited in that it could not carry external weapons and also go supersonic. The B1 was hardly used in strategic mission planning due to it's limited numbers and also it's limited versatility. So... the B52 remains the main stay in the air breathing portion of the triad. The B2 is the new B52 in that it is able to penetrate deeper without relying on speed, although it cannot carry external weapons without greatly increasing it's radar cross section.
It's all just a big bunch of trade offs, In a nut shell, in a strategic conflict the B52 is the one, in a theater conflict, the B2 is the one.

Hold on now, the B1 was certainly a strategic bomber at first...it was only configured to carry nuclear weapons. Nuclear generally means strategic.

Now that it is configured for conventional weapons, it's the real muscle in the inventory. The B-1 carries a heavier bomb load than the B-52, and it's vastly more versatile.


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Old 11-27-2012, 08:47 PM   #3872
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Hold on now, the B1 was certainly a strategic bomber at first...it was only configured to carry nuclear weapons. Nuclear generally means strategic.

Now that it is configured for conventional weapons, it's the real muscle in the inventory. The B-1 carries a heavier bomb load than the B-52, and it's vastly more versatile.


I agree, the B1 was strategic bomber at first, very much so, but it was very limited in what it could carry compared to the B52. It's just that when I was involved in strategic mission planning, (up to late 1990's) all I did was strategic planning so that's all I can speak from experience about. We used the B1 only for certain "dash" (as in fast strike) mission/scenarios.
I didnt(dont) know much about conventional stuff, and I agree, It appears since I was involved the B1 is now a force to be reckoned with for sure. (I also feel it's one of the most beautiful airplanes ever built)
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:57 PM   #3873
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:02 PM   #3874
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I just looked at google maps, The Air Force Museum is 859 miles from my town here in Oklahoma. I absolutely must make it there some time. wow.
Thanks for posting these photos.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:17 PM   #3875
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I just looked at google maps, The Air Force Museum is 859 miles from my town here in Oklahoma. I absolutely must make it there some time. wow.
Thanks for posting these photos.
I'm only 697 miles. That is so do-able.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:22 PM   #3876
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I'm only 697 miles. That is so do-able.
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Whoever goes be sure to visit Speigler Performance..... really cool guys
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:47 PM   #3877
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Every bit of it is excellent, even the non-hardware parts. You can spend hours or more in the very first area - which includes the Wright Brothers home made wind tunnel and all sorts of WWI era flight suits, patches and squadron insignia. It isn't just Army Air Corps/USAF inventory either - as an example I doubt you'll ever see a ME/BF 109 and a ME262 in the same place either. I haven't seen a C5 there though, but its been a few years since I've been so maybe there's one now...perhaps they other USAF have aircraft inside it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:09 PM   #3878
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I just looked at google maps, The Air Force Museum is 859 miles from my town here in Oklahoma. I absolutely must make it there some time. wow.
Thanks for posting these photos.
That's two easy days each way...do it! Then it's only another easy day to Hammondsport NY, and the Curtiss Museum!
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:26 PM   #3879
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:10 AM   #3880
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:27 AM   #3881
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187 miles for moi..... I win------so far........I try to go every year.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:45 AM   #3882
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Now yer gonna make me resurrect the old PC in the back room, and pull up my pics from Dayton.

Did they still have the F-4 cockpit you can sit in? I couldn't get my son out of it.

Last I was there, they had a larger cargo/transport type plane they had just received. It was sitting outside, and they just had begun to tear into it for restoration. Can't remember the designation. Any sightings while you were there? I didn't get much of a chance to examine the A/C that were parked outside.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:10 AM   #3883
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I didn't notice an open F-4 cockpit. 'would certainly have sat had I seen the opportunity.

I was there in early Spring, some snow still on the ground, and not much to see outdoors.
They were moving things around in the Cold War exhibit, which is why the F-82 & F-86 were outside at the time.

That was two years ago, IIRC.
I'm under the impression they stay busy improving the exhibits and much has probably changed in the interim.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:13 AM   #3884
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The cockpit was more or less the nose section of a phantom, with stairs and a deck leading up to it. It was up against a wall in the area of similar era planes.

The hangar hasn't changed much, but I certainly agree that they like to keep the main exhibit active and changing.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:18 AM   #3885
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Looks amazing.

Munich has a 262 and 109 as well... and a whole lot of other cool stuff, nothing like that though... Plus a WW1 U-boat in the basement.
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