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Beamer Pilot · 12-25-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CapCal1000

Good summary. Don't forget using your hands to open the gatorade while flying a steep stalling turn with your knees overloaded in the heat, scam artist farmers who bemoan having to pay last year's bill before you will save this year's crop, (every year is "the worst year ever" but they always seem to have new trucks and toys on a yearly basis), and my personal favorite, the asshole beekeepers who want to file a kill claim against you because they had a bad year and you happen to have been working in the same state. Ahhh the good ol' days.

Yeah... looks like you been there...on the bees had one guy four sections down wind with that complaint...only I was spraying Roundup on canola and Monsanto had to send him a letter to save my ass explaining the diff between herbicide and pesticide. Still miss those days sometimes watching the sun rise at four AM..

jackd · 12-25-2012, 10:48 AM

An old friend told me a story of something along the same lines from the days of owning a crop dusting operation. They had a contract to spray a field in the agricultural areas east of Vancouver - the Fraser Valley to be exact. It would seem that they got the address wrong and sprayed herbicide on the organic blue berry patch one field over from where they should have been. It was all brown within a week. I don't know how he dodged it, but there was a twinkle in his eye telling the story.

Beamer Pilot · 12-25-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jackd

An old friend told me a story of something along the same lines from the days of owning a crop dusting operation. They had a contract to spray a field in the agricultural areas east of Vancouver - the Fraser Valley to be exact. It would seem that they got the address wrong and sprayed herbicide on the organic blue berry patch one field over from where they should have been. It was all brown within a week. I don't know how he dodged it, but there was a twinkle in his eye telling the story.

Happens, in retrospect more money and less headache operating in the Midwest or in Saskatchewan where a hopper load will only do one pass. Mind you on a good season at $5.00 an acre you can do OK. specially when the grasshoppers hit on a dry year. As for the Fraser Valley been there often but never operated in the area. Mostly fruit trees and everytime i stopped when i spotted a spray plane i got shivers. They sure fly some sad looking wrecks, not much Transport Canada oversight in ag flying.

Flying-D · 12-25-2012, 04:08 PM

I worked as an adjuster for a few years and handled lots of chemical drift claims, mainly for 2,-4D (Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Oklahoma, etc...). It can be pretty complicated and expensive for an insurer, and inevitably, the insured. I found that the best negotiation tactic was to sit down with a cup of coffee and piece of pie at the nearest diner after we looked at the damage. I learned a lot about navigating by having to find grass strips in the middle of millions of acres of wheat before we even dreamed of GPS, lots about flying as a low-time pilot landing in huge crosswinds on those often pretty short grass strips (compared to the runways I usually used), lots about chemicals, how they're used and how they work, and lots about people by having to figure out what was fair. I can't imagine the type of flying you guys do day-in and day-out.

jackd · 12-25-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beamer Pilot

Not much Transport Canada oversight in ag flying.

I hate to say it but there isn't much TC oversight in any aspect of aviation. Maybe just as well because they don't know very much.

Beamer Pilot · 12-26-2012, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jackd

I hate to say it but there isn't much TC oversight in any aspect of aviation. Maybe just as well because they don't know very much.

That used to be true since it used to be an "old boys club" and most got hired by their military buddies managing TC

. Unfortunatly most had no civi experience and no clue on how to operate a company and make money in aviation hence the Air Navigation Orders previous to the CARs. I must say things have changed with more commercial aviation guys more in tune with the "bottom line".
Of course now with the budget reductions and cuts the topo changes again with everyone staying put in the office. Not to mention most aircraft advertised for sale on the government surplus website clipping their wings even further. An increase in fatals in the last year might swing the pendulum back but who knows...And don't get me going on "Safety Management System" or "SMS" companies regulating themselves??? the wolf guarding the sheep...

Enough babble...you guys running out of a/c pictures or what ???

jackd · 12-26-2012, 08:06 AM

[QUOTE=Beamer Pilot;20330122]That used to be true since it used to be an "old boys club" and most got hired by their military buddies managing TC

. And don't get me going on "Safety Management System" or "SMS" companies regulating themselves??? the wolf guarding the sheep... /QUOTE]

Good post but from a cockpit perspective - mine is from the ground and therefore different. TC's flight department fleet reductions have very little to do with safety enforcement - two different departments. The enforcement end of things have much vested in 'SMS' and so that will be the ongoing way of the future - until I leave the industry in a few years. The big impetus for safety is corporate/personal liability is my read and why I would never consider working for a smaller organization. As you say, bring on the pictures...

EvilGenius · 12-26-2012, 12:27 PM

Ok, I'm in a bit of a predicament.

For Christmas my gf's parents gave both of us a "ticket" redeemable for either a 1hr balloon ride, 1hr glider (airplane) ride or a free tandem skydive jump.

The conflict is instinctively I want to do the glider ride as eventually I would like to have some sort of pilot's license, but how often in your life do you get a free chance at sky diving?

jackd · 12-26-2012, 12:33 PM

Why do your parents hate you?

I wouldn't sweat it - the government has even less time to oversee any of those activities and therefore it should be safe.

chazbird · 12-26-2012, 01:11 PM

Skydive. I've not done it but a I think a tandem jump free fall would be awesome. And as placid as a balloon ride might seem I once started to read the commercial balloon pilots study book. There were and alarming number of ways to get scared, injured, or come to grief.

bodybomber · 12-26-2012, 02:04 PM

Skydive!

oldmanb777 · 12-26-2012, 05:12 PM

Am skydive is harder to set up, and lots less common than the others, so I would go with that. Its easy to get an "Intro" ride at any flight school.

Beamer Pilot · 12-26-2012, 05:47 PM

Skydive...no not a tandem ride. Take the full course and have a ball or cry like a girl. Altough I rather enjoyed my first one. other than getting my ass booted out of the Nord Atlas by "mon adjudant" over Corsica. Same scenario three month later over N'Djamena...without the boot...circa spring 1979 I digress again...
Lets see now balloon...controlled crash on arrival not my forte probably the reason i never did it...
Glider did it a few times but never got licensed...not really a fan of flying for 10 minutes if the winds don't cooperate.
So, i would handle it this way..."What would YOU like to do sweetheart ?" and run with that...
My two cents..

mfp4073 · 12-26-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilGenius

eventually I would like to have some sort of pilot's license, but how often in your life do you get a free chance at sky diving?

Depends on how bad a pilot you are

mfp4073 · 12-26-2012, 10:32 PM

besides, skydiving is something that you do when the plane stops flying........

12-25-2012, 04:08 PM	#4024
Flying-D Just Passing Through Joined: Mar 2010 Location: Cape Girardeau, MO Oddometer: 1,615	I worked as an adjuster for a few years and handled lots of chemical drift claims, mainly for 2,-4D (Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Oklahoma, etc...). It can be pretty complicated and expensive for an insurer, and inevitably, the insured. I found that the best negotiation tactic was to sit down with a cup of coffee and piece of pie at the nearest diner after we looked at the damage. I learned a lot about navigating by having to find grass strips in the middle of millions of acres of wheat before we even dreamed of GPS, lots about flying as a low-time pilot landing in huge crosswinds on those often pretty short grass strips (compared to the runways I usually used), lots about chemicals, how they're used and how they work, and lots about people by having to figure out what was fair. I can't imagine the type of flying you guys do day-in and day-out. __________________ It's really all just stuff...and in the end, none of it means shit.

12-26-2012, 12:27 PM	#4028
EvilGenius ^OP 1.5 Finger Discount Joined: Apr 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Oddometer: 20,074	Ok, I'm in a bit of a predicament. For Christmas my gf's parents gave both of us a "ticket" redeemable for either a 1hr balloon ride, 1hr glider (airplane) ride or a free tandem skydive jump. The conflict is instinctively I want to do the glider ride as eventually I would like to have some sort of pilot's license, but how often in your life do you get a free chance at sky diving? __________________ "Try turning that burn into torque. Then we're getting somewhere. Riding the potato to work seems quite impractical." - anotherguy "Never bring a Nerf gun to a shovel fight." - My Brother

12-26-2012, 02:04 PM	#4031
bodybomber Gnarly Adventurer Joined: May 2008 Location: Delaware Oddometer: 225	Skydive! __________________ VF1100S sold to friend then left turner killed the rider 2008 1200GSA 06 DR650 89 ZX10

12-26-2012, 05:47 PM	#4033
Beamer Pilot Obviously a major malf... Joined: Jan 2010 Location: North West of Calgary Oddometer: 187	Skydive...no not a tandem ride. Take the full course and have a ball or cry like a girl. Altough I rather enjoyed my first one. other than getting my ass booted out of the Nord Atlas by "mon adjudant" over Corsica. Same scenario three month later over N'Djamena...without the boot...circa spring 1979 I digress again... Lets see now balloon...controlled crash on arrival not my forte probably the reason i never did it... Glider did it a few times but never got licensed...not really a fan of flying for 10 minutes if the winds don't cooperate. So, i would handle it this way..."What would YOU like to do sweetheart ?" and run with that... My two cents.. __________________ You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 2.

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12-25-2012, 10:48 AM	#4022
jackd Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: North Cowichan Oddometer: 2,368	An old friend told me a story of something along the same lines from the days of owning a crop dusting operation. They had a contract to spray a field in the agricultural areas east of Vancouver - the Fraser Valley to be exact. It would seem that they got the address wrong and sprayed herbicide on the organic blue berry patch one field over from where they should have been. It was all brown within a week. I don't know how he dodged it, but there was a twinkle in his eye telling the story.

12-26-2012, 08:06 AM	#4027
jackd Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: North Cowichan Oddometer: 2,368	[QUOTE=Beamer Pilot;20330122]That used to be true since it used to be an "old boys club" and most got hired by their military buddies managing TC . And don't get me going on "Safety Management System" or "SMS" companies regulating themselves??? the wolf guarding the sheep... /QUOTE] Good post but from a cockpit perspective - mine is from the ground and therefore different. TC's flight department fleet reductions have very little to do with safety enforcement - two different departments. The enforcement end of things have much vested in 'SMS' and so that will be the ongoing way of the future - until I leave the industry in a few years. The big impetus for safety is corporate/personal liability is my read and why I would never consider working for a smaller organization. As you say, bring on the pictures...

12-26-2012, 12:33 PM	#4029
jackd Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: North Cowichan Oddometer: 2,368	Why do your parents hate you? I wouldn't sweat it - the government has even less time to oversee any of those activities and therefore it should be safe.

12-26-2012, 01:11 PM	#4030
chazbird Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2009 Oddometer: 2,050	Skydive. I've not done it but a I think a tandem jump free fall would be awesome. And as placid as a balloon ride might seem I once started to read the commercial balloon pilots study book. There were and alarming number of ways to get scared, injured, or come to grief.

12-26-2012, 05:12 PM	#4032
oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism! Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Centennial,Co. Oddometer: 2,785	Am skydive is harder to set up, and lots less common than the others, so I would go with that. Its easy to get an "Intro" ride at any flight school.