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Old 02-27-2013, 04:30 AM   #4321
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:04 AM   #4322
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I was referring to her engine explosion in October (?) of last year. I thought they were having trouble putting the money together to get a new engine for her.

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Old 02-27-2013, 05:22 AM   #4323
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I was referring to her engine explosion in October (?) of last year. I thought they were having trouble putting the money together to get a new engine for her.

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The Bass brothers, who're major financial contributors of the Cavanaugh Flight Museum at Addison airport, paid to have her reengined in exchange for keeping it at the museum for a while when it's not on tour.
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:59 AM   #4324
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:43 AM   #4325
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The Bass brothers, who're major financial contributors of the Cavanaugh Flight Museum at Addison airport, paid to have her reengined in exchange for keeping it at the museum for a while when it's not on tour.
My understanding is that was the agreement for the replacement of all four engines a few years ago. They recently had a failure of one of those and needed yet another. Dont know what the funding stream was for that, but did hear they were grounded for a while trying to find money to fix/replace and/or find parts. Dont know how they got that straight though.

Note, fifis motors are named rita, marlene, etc (dont remember the exact names). Its painted on the engine cowls. This was to make it easier to keep maintenance/data records. This was because just like those golden age bombshells, they are high maintenance ladies too!
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:57 AM   #4326
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My understanding is that was the agreement for the replacement of all four engines a few years ago. They recently had a failure of one of those and needed yet another. Dont know what the funding stream was for that, but did hear they were grounded for a while trying to find money to fix/replace and/or find parts. Dont know how they got that straight though.

Note, fifis motors are named rita, marlene, etc (dont remember the exact names). Its painted on the engine cowls. This was to make it easier to keep maintenance/data records. This was because just like those golden age bombshells, they are high maintenance ladies too!
The engines were always a problem. Going to Pratt & Whitneys on the B-50s cured it.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:51 AM   #4327
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It is nice to know there are rich folks out there that are interested in keeping these old machines running.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:17 AM   #4328
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"The engines were always a problem. Going to Pratt & Whitneys on the B-50s cured it."

Well....too a point. The P & W R4360 did produce more power than the Wright R3350 and probably didn't catch fire as often , but the 4360 was no treat itself.

The R4360 was a maintenance pig in its own right. Shutdown procedure was critical, fuel settings during start up was critical, and head temperatures were always critical. But other than that, it worked fairly well
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:27 AM   #4329
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"The engines were always a problem. Going to Pratt & Whitneys on the B-50s cured it."

Well....too a point. The P & W R4360 did produce more power than the Wright R3350 and probably didn't catch fire as often , but the 4360 was no treat itself.

The R4360 was a maintenance pig in its own right. Shutdown procedure was critical, fuel settings during start up was critical, and head temperatures were always critical. But other than that, it worked fairly well
Engine changes were quick and easy, though. The QEC module made it possible. The whole thing was then shipped to the overhaul facility.

Pratts also didn't leak oil like the Wrights did.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:40 AM   #4330
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:58 AM   #4331
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"Pratts also didn't leak oil like the Wrights did."

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My understanding is that was the agreement for the replacement of all four engines a few years ago. They recently had a failure of one of those and needed yet another. Dont know what the funding stream was for that, but did hear they were grounded for a while trying to find money to fix/replace and/or find parts. Dont know how they got that straight though.

Note, fifis motors are named rita, marlene, etc (dont remember the exact names). Its painted on the engine cowls. This was to make it easier to keep maintenance/data records. This was because just like those golden age bombshells, they are high maintenance ladies too!
Ah, I thought the deal was done more recently than that.

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It is nice to know there are rich folks out there that are interested in keeping these old machines running.
The Bass and other contributors to the Cavanaugh have done a great job of that. It's not a huge museum, but they've got some nice stuff and not just aircraft.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:15 PM   #4333
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"The engines were always a problem. Going to Pratt & Whitneys on the B-50s cured it."

Well....too a point. The P & W R4360 did produce more power than the Wright R3350 and probably didn't catch fire as often , but the 4360 was no treat itself.

The R4360 was a maintenance pig in its own right. Shutdown procedure was critical, fuel settings during start up was critical, and head temperatures were always critical. But other than that, it worked fairly well
I find it quite hard to believe that the 28 cylinder 4 row Pratt had greater serviceability than the 18 cylinder 2 row Wright. There's a lot more going on with the Pratt design and the cooling problems for the last two rows of jugs on the Pratts were well known.
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:09 PM   #4334
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I find it quite hard to believe that the 28 cylinder 4 row Pratt had greater serviceability than the 18 cylinder 2 row Wright. There's a lot more going on with the Pratt design and the cooling problems for the last two rows of jugs on the Pratts were well known.
You might like to read Graham White's fine book "R-4360: Pratt & Whitney's Major Miracle". The engine served for many years in the B-50 and the C-124 Globemaster, and there are first person narratives dealing with operation and maintenance.
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:45 PM   #4335
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Aviation technology progressed at a blindingly fast pace during the first half of the 20th century. Aircraft were asked to fly higher, fly faster, carry heavier loads, take off and land on shorter runways, fly greater distances, and consume less fuel with each new generation, and with perfect dependability.

Pratt & Whitney's R-4360, or "Wasp Major" as it was known in the commercial marketplace, was a very large engine, displacing 4,360 cubic inches. Somewhat akin to the steam age when triple-expansion engines the size of cathedrals ruled the waves, the R-4360 at one time represented the largest and most sophisticated of its breed. Nothing else in the late-1940s marketplace could boast what the R-4360 did-3,000 to 4,000 hp. By the end of the piston-engine era Pratt & Whitney had placed into mass production the largest and most powerful engine ever built in quantity.

This book provides a detailed account of the inner workings of the R-4360. Also covered is the engine's development history, variations, and its military, commercial, and racing applications. 7x10, 208 pages, more than 600 b/w photos.
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