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Old 01-12-2010, 01:36 AM   #496
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Buncha dangerous/bad ideas thrown together into a very sexy plane.


Buncha creative/ingenious ideas thrown together into a fast, efficient and hell for stout aircraft.
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:23 AM   #497
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eh! you in the hat... fetch the pilot a brewskie !!

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Old 01-12-2010, 05:25 AM   #498
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Buncha creative/ingenious ideas thrown together into a fast, efficient and hell for stout aircraft.
I like your view better, but Ive had quite a few bickerins with a lot of our instructors.

The spoiler idea works fine, but I think ailerons wouldve done the same job and make it safer.

Add a little more effective yaw control and it probably wouldve been more popular.
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:34 AM   #499
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Yeah, but doesn't the Mu-2 have full-span flaps? IIRC it's a pretty decent short-field airplane. And it is stout. Just...strange.

Man, that Twin Otter on floats..... I'd take that over the bikini babe. Less maintenance.
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:48 PM   #500
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:51 PM   #501
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Me, looking down at my buddy Jorge.
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:57 PM   #502
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I like your view better, but Ive had quite a few bickerins with a lot of our instructors.

The spoiler idea works fine, but I think ailerons wouldve done the same job and make it safer.

Add a little more effective yaw control and it probably wouldve been more popular.
I hope you get a chance to fly/ride a Moo 2 one day. All that information from experts can get confusing.

Here is a link for an article.
http://sleetapawang.spaces.live.com/...196D!731.entry

Fred is not a great fan of the Moo 2. His preference is the Piaggio Avanti.
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:06 PM   #503
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All horizontal stabilizers are inverted air-foils - that's their design, the MU-2 is no different. Also, many jets lock out the ailerons at speed and use spoilers for roll control.
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:43 PM   #504
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I like your view better, but Ive had quite a few bickerins with a lot of our instructors.

The spoiler idea works fine, but I think ailerons wouldve done the same job and make it safer.

Add a little more effective yaw control and it probably wouldve been more popular.
Are you talking about the B-2?




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Old 01-12-2010, 07:04 PM   #505
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I hope you get a chance to fly/ride a Moo 2 one day. All that information from experts can get confusing.
Personally I like the aircraft. My instructors are pretty divided on it. Some love it and some treat it like a death trap, but those usually hold helicopters in the same regard.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:00 PM   #506
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Some people like the MU-2 because its fast and cheap, and (used to be) "out of control". There is now a FAA mandated training regime with specifics on how to how handle its "peculiarities" and because of this its somewhat notorius accident rate has been substantially reduced. It does have a complex (read confusing) fuel system and the 35-40 knot spread between Vrotation and Vyse would be really scary if not impossible to overcome in most situations. It is fast, 300+Kts, but a CE441 (TPE331 engines too) is as fast , flies higher, and thus burns less fuel - & has better range too. I always wondered how non-pilot owners of the MU2 or Aero Commander 690/840/1000 liked their cabin noise, the props are near mid cabin, wheras a CE441 or BE200 have theirs further forward towards the pilot where they can soak up the noise. But MU2's still go for cheap, $300,000 less, maybe even less, than, a CE441 can count for a lot, I guess.
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:51 AM   #507
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One reason the Moo 2 is still in service (no limited a/f like the Cessna) and people keep flying them is the quality of construction. It is so well built compared to other a/c in the market. Open the door on a Moo 2 and look at the construction and do the same on a ______________ (you choose) and you will see a difference.
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Old 01-13-2010, 05:55 AM   #508
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There is a write up about the training now mandated by the FAA for the MU-2 in the current issue of "Flying" ..........another a/c which requires separate training is the Robinson R22 'copter

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Old 01-13-2010, 09:28 AM   #509
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Yes, the MU-2 seems very stout. I don't know of any airframe related AD's on it or if it has a reputation for corrosion. The times on them, the later vintages, are about the equivilent to King Air's and 441 Conquests of the same era so it appears most people only to seem to fly this kind of airplane just so much. The 400 series have had spar issues, but it may be the 425/421/414/402 and not the 404/441. (No, I'm not selling Cessna's) Maybe Mitsubishi eventually wanted to make a jet out of the airframe. No life limits are a good thing I suppose, but over 30-40 years newer design effciencies can overcome a non-life limited airframe. Compare a Citation 500 with a Citation Jet CJ2. 50 knots faster with a 15-20% lower fuel burn. But, being in a stout airplane can be reassuring. I have experience with another Japanese plane, the NAMC YS-11. That seemed very overbuilt too. Strange how Japanese aircraft of the 60's were hardy like that, compared with a 1960's Datsun. Not saying the Datsun was a bad car, just very light.
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Just noticed the MU-2 has the same powerplant as the MQ-9 Reaper.

Strange world...


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