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Old 01-12-2009, 03:35 PM   #31
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As all the rest are just waterproof car, soccer mom GPS's


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Old 01-12-2009, 04:10 PM   #32
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As all the rest are just waterproof car, soccer mom GPS's


I swore I'd never make a comment on what gps to use ever again as I just don't give a ratsa** what anybody else uses.

But it's nice to get some backup----Mr. Breese---with a capital M
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:40 PM   #33
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Having to keep using my 276 is definitely not a problem for me.
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:58 AM   #34
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+1 on the 276c

After reading Big Dog and Gaspipe's write up of the western TAT in '06 I had to do it!

One of the pieces of gear I picked up to accomplish this goal was a Garmin 276c.

I guessed my old Garmin eMap just wasn't going to make it....

Spent the time to map it out, loaded it up and away I went. Got'er done!

That 276 served me well.... was so far out there at times I would have been in serious trouble if it went down - which it NEVER did!

TAT solo, the western end in Sept and Oct... through the early snow.

Had to buy a spare this past year....

Now I've reworked my routes and the 276c is the ONLY Garmin that will let me put the whole TAT in at once.... and the CDR at the same time!

So, definitely a +1 on the Garmin 276c! Thanks Big Dog!
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:28 AM   #35
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Now I've reworked my routes and the 276c is the ONLY Garmin that will let me put the whole TAT in at once.... and the CDR at the same time!...
Why was that?

I have a 276C, getting ready to do the TAT and thought about upgrading to a 478 since it appears to offer more. So, I am now wondering, based on your comment, if I shouldn't bother.

Which map products did you use for you TAT and CDR plots?
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:34 AM   #36
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Why was that?

I have a 276C, getting ready to do the TAT and thought about upgrading to a 478 since it appears to offer more. So, I am now wondering, based on your comment, if I shouldn't bother.

Which map products did you use for you TAT and CDR plots?
In terms of map loading, waypoint, track log and route functions the 478 is the same---------you will gain no navigational functions.

The 478 just has additional non navigational stuff.

I always load 3 different mapsets in my 276 and turn on the one that suits the situation. I load topo-----the very old Roads and Recreations---and then an autorouting mapset too (there are many versions of that out there).
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:53 AM   #37
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The 276c, 376c and 478 are basically the same units with some minor differences like the 376c XM radio/WX weather and the 478 adding CN loaded into its memory. These 3 are considered to be the best GPS's available for us Adventure riders!
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:28 AM   #38
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TAT route in 276c

I just looked and my complete TAT route set (one route per day) has 2389 waypoints (every turn on Sam's roll charts are in there along with gas and motel points) using 25 routes (I have some of the optional routes too).

Loading Road and Rec, Topo 2008 and Metroguide NA v8 (no unlock codes) it takes right around 123MB with 283 maps. Haven't had a chance to load it into the GPS to make sure it handles that many map segments - I'm in the sandbox and the GPS is at home - but I think it will.

This is just the TAT.

I also have Big Dog's CDR route (thanks Mark!) that I've reworked slightly and that takes 290 waypoints, 5 routes and 138 maps totaling 73MB. But there is some overlap with the maps for the TAT, so it should all fit OK.

One thing that I've run in to... the 276 will allow 300 waypoints per route. Most other GPS's won't. I also have a 172c that I'm going to play with... but it only allows 250 waypoints per route... but has a bigger screen, lower res and no battery.

I wish somebody had a spreadsheet for GPSs showing # of routes, # waypoints per route, # tracks, # waypoints per track, total # points for the main tracklog, max # of maps, screen size, screen res.

Would be handy to compare them......
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:45 AM   #39
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Loading Road and Rec, Topo 2008 and Metroguide NA v8 (no unlock codes) it takes right around 123MB with 283 maps. Haven't had a chance to load it into the GPS to make sure it handles that many map segments - I'm in the sandbox and the GPS is at home - but I think it will.
All maps you load---go into the data card only on the 276---not in the gps itself.

So you can load as many MB's as your data card is big.

Nothing else goes to the data card----only maps.

And if you didn't know--the 276 holds 3,000 waypoints--these are stored in the unit---and cannot be stored on the data card.

You might be able to upgrade (free) the unit software and make routes hold more route waypoints.

Hope i'm not telling you stuff you already know.
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Old 01-16-2009, 10:36 AM   #40
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Yeah, on the 276 the maps go into the data card, but there still is a limit on the number of map segments - so there is really two limits - MB size and number of map segments.

That is one of the problems of Road and Rec - it has quite small map segments, which is good for older GPS's with small memory, but to cover a larger area it takes LOTS of map segments.

If you look at Metroguide or even Topo 2008, the area covered in a map segment is much larger - so it takes fewer segments to cover the same amount of area.

Yep, the 276c allows 3000 user defined waypoints... with the current GPS system software for the 276 (5.30) and the current good version of Mapsourse (6.13.7, not the latest - 6.14.1 is buggy) when you create a route you can have 'route' waypoints (otherwise known as via's) that don't count against your user defined waypoints. These via's do count against the number of waypoints in a route however.

For example, if you define two waypoints, one at the start of a route and one at the end, then using the routing tool connect them together using say 100 vias, you have only used 2 waypoints out of your 3000 waypoints, and you have used one route out of your 50.

The 60 and 76 series only allows something like 1000 user defined waypoints.... way too few for what I want to do.

Another problem with some of the other models.... some only allow 50 waypoints in a route. Who are they trying to kid? Sheesh!

On the 276 all waypoints, routes, tracks and tracklogs go into internal memory while only maps go onto the data cards. On some of the newer GPSs they allow the tracks and tracklog to go onto the data card, everything being stored the same as the 276.

I think what I'm going to do when I go to do some really extended wandering is to load several data cards up to cover vast areas for maps, then put waypoints, routes and whatever else else I need on a thumb drive along with EasyGPS. Just swap data cards to have the maps I need for an area, then upload new routes and waypoints as needed off the thumb drive using a public computer. No need to carry a laptop that way, and you can download back to the thumb drive if you want to save your tracks.

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Old 01-20-2009, 08:43 AM   #41
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Garmin Doesn't Get or Want Motorized Offroad Travel

Sometimes we have to observe the obvious. Garmin is moving away from the functionality that supports motorized offroad travel.

I can't believe they are removing all the track log functionality from new units because they are stupid. It's not because they are unaware of our need for the functionality because I have told them as have many others.

How hard would it be for them to add the functionality of the Lowrance Baja 540C which supports 100 track logs of 10,0000 track points each on the instrument? That's all I need to make any of the #76 or #78 units a near perfect gps for offroad motorized travel.

Our demographics don't give us enough purchase to effect change with Garmin.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:21 AM   #42
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Sometimes we have to observe the obvious. Garmin is moving away from the functionality that supports motorized offroad travel.

I can't believe they are removing all the track log functionality from new units because they are stupid. It's not because they are unaware of our need for the functionality because I have told them as have many others.

How hard would it be for them to add the functionality of the Lowrance Baja 540C which supports 100 track logs of 10,0000 track points each on the instrument? That's all I need to make any of the #76 or #78 units a near perfect gps for offroad motorized travel.

Our demographics don't give us enough purchase to effect change with Garmin.
Why do they look at it as a "Black Box" not a computer/controller and offer verioius firmware downloads depending on your application? Or even open it up to 3rd party firmware writers. It is not that hard to develop a hardware platform that is desireable to all but there are as many firmware options as there are customers.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:23 AM   #43
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I'd love to see them open it up... wonder if there aren't already some hacking projects to replace the built-in firmware.

The hardware capability is certainly there for everything we want to do, but Garmin doesn't see fit to provide the capability.
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:21 PM   #44
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Is the new Garmin GPSMap 640 the answer?

Maybe the new ultimate motorcycle GPS is the new Garmin GPSMap 640. Garmin's site says it is: "Automotive/motorcycle-friendly: yes"

Great screen, waterproof, XMWX ready, ....

What's missing is a Touratech mount.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=148&pID=14898
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:27 PM   #45
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It is not as good as the 276c, 376c and 478. There is already a big discussion on this. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421999
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