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Old 01-27-2009, 02:05 PM   #46
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According to the specs, it will not save tracks while in "automotive" (land) mode. TALK ABOUT A STEP BACK!

Now, does this mean that it will not save tracks in its internal memory nor on an SD card...I don't know. Does anybody know?

What about uploading TRACKS (not routes)? Can it do that? Anyone?
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:17 PM   #47
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Until they hit the street it's anyone's guess, but based on the spec sheet, my 478 is still the better unit for my needs.
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:13 AM   #48
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"Is the new Garmin GPSMap 640 the answer?"

What was the question?
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:36 AM   #49
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What was the question?
Upgrading for the sake of upgrading.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:05 AM   #50
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Upgrading for the sake of upgrading.
Wrong;
Change for the sake of Change!

I have been waiting years for an upgrade to my 76C. The 76Cx Upgrade was good but not what I have been waiting for.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:55 PM   #51
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I have been waiting years for an upgrade to my 76C. The 76Cx Upgrade was good but not what I have been waiting for.

I've had a 76C for about 3 years, and to tell you the truth, the upgrade to the 478 is really blowing my skirt up.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:32 AM   #52
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Maximum number of maps in a 276c

I finally found the number of map segments that a 276c will support.

According to this web site -

http://home.online.no/~sigurdhu/GPSmap-276C_specs.htm

a Garmin 276c will handle 900 maps.

The 172C supports 1050, eMap 525, Legend Cx 2025, Venture Cx 2025.

That's all the ones I've been able to find so far.

And yes, Garmin doesn't really care about our market segment - had a long talk with a Garmin regional sales rep and they are much more interested in the soccer Mom's - it's all about the numbers.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:45 AM   #53
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GPSMAP 620/640 Vs 276c/278 PROS/CONS

I've replaced my old but very very useful GPSMAP 276c, at last.
Now the 260 is in my hands and I can say something about it!

Maybe you will find useful to know what I wrote to Garmin about the new unit.

PROs
  • 5" HIGH RES. SCREEN
  • TOUCHSCREEN
  • FRIENDLY INTERFACE
  • FAST SATELLITE ACQUISITION
  • VERY GOOD MOUNTING SYSTEM
  • SD CARD SUPPORT
CONs
  • SEE BELOW...
A.

[...]

(SW Ver. 2.20)

I’m studying the new unit with a bunch of friends (we are bikers and 4WD-runners).
It was a long time indeed we was waiting a new unit to replace our old but very useful GPSMAP 276c and we think that at the moment there is no better choice on the market!

However, though we can now enjoy features such as a very big screen with high resolution, SD support and touch screen, we find that in some cases this unit is less powerful and useful than the old GPSMAP 276c.
Features that would be very appreciated by people that decide to buy such kind of advanced units expecting form them advanced functions, has been removed (e.g. tracks management in automotive mode).
…and aspects that in older units was very, very simple to manage (MapSource data xfer) now are more complicated.

We have listed them in this document.

For several reasons we consider Garmin the leader in this market and we do like his work and products.

So we would be glad if this list of hints/suggestions could be useful to Garmin in the perspective to offer not only a better product but absolutely the best.

For this reason we dare ask you to forward this document to the developer’s team / project manager, if possible.

This document represents only personal opinions, indeed, but if you read forums

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421999

you will find that under certain aspects it is not so far from what people ask and expect.
Please consider that we might have incurred in errors and/or misundertandings.

Best regards.

A. & Co.

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1. Can’t access automotive mode if there isn’t a routable map installed, even if the unit has a built-in basemap.
For 4x4 and motorbike puorposes a lot of people uses topo maps and not-routable maps, either locked or free: they are then obliged to load a piece of routable map if they want to to see other maps.

Solution:
LET THE USER “PLAY” WITH THE BASEMAP AND/OR LOAD HIS FAV. TOPO MAPS
ELIMINATE THE ANNOYING WARNING

1a. related issue (BUG?)
scenario: “clean” device with any mapset installed
Plug-in the USB cable (turn on the GPS or wait that the GPS reboots)
A dialog box warn you that you can’t use the unit without a routable map and
ASKS TO “PRESS OK”
You promptly press OK
The unit reboots into marine mode and then (for it is connected to th PC via USB cable) reboots in Automotive mode
The same dialog box warn you that you can’t use the unit without a routable map and
ASKS TO “PRESS OK”
…LOOP…

At last, I discovered how to break the loop…
*DO NOT* PRESS OK *AS REQUESTED* by the dialog box.
WAIT until the dlg disappears, then transfer maps.

Solution:
ELIMINATE THE ANNOYING DLG BOX
LET THE USER “PLAY” WITH THE BASEMAP AND/OR LOAD HIS FAV. TOPO MAPS

2. The unit can’t show Topo or routable maps in marine mode.
Marine mode is the only way to use and manage tracks.
Capability of displaying topo or routable maps would be very useful for navigating off-road by bike or 4x4.
Consider that bikers & off-roaders need strong route and track management tools/capabilities.

solution:
ALLOW TOPO/ROUTABLE MAPS TO BE SHOWN/USED IN MARINE MODE
OR (BETTER)
ADD TRACK MANAGEMENT IN AUTOMOTIVE MODE
(load/show/save tracks, trakback, compass)

2a. If routable cartography is loaded onto the SD card, when loading the marine firmware a warning message is shown: “Map format not supported”.
Note that this behaviour applies only for routable cartography loaded onto the SD card.

3. When creating a new (saved) route (automotive) the unit do not ask wether you want it calculated shorter, faster or *off-road* (GPSMAP 276c).
This prevents to create an off-road route on non routable maps or in routable maps but in an area not covered with roads/routing data (the system tells there are no roads near start/end points and do not allow you to save the route).
You can set the routing preference before creating the route but it is very annoying.
When navigating in 4x4 and bike this is a recurrent scenario.

Solution:
ASK SHORTER / FASTER / *OFF-ROAD* WHEN SAVING/ACTIVATING A ROUTE AND WHEN SELECTING WHERE TO\WAYPOINT ETC.
(ADD CHKBOX “DON’T ASK AGAIN”)

4. My locations are ordered by distance only (not always useful)

Solution:
ADD OPTION: ORDER BY NAME

5. DATA MANAGEMENT/XFER
Data management and transfer work in different manners for automotive and marine mode.
…but the user is the same for both modes!
If you want to simplify his life… consider to make the process more similar in both circumstances.

A. Automotive and Marine mode uses different databases, so for a trip that involves both modes you must load your data twice.

B. Automotive and Marine mode write their own tracklog.
To obtain a full tracklog of you trip/holiday you are obliged to save and merge both databases.

C. Can’t save automotive tracklog. So if you travel for 15 days you loose a great deal of you travel data.

D. Automotive mode supports .GPX files but marine mode does not.
see .adm files.. oh no... one more file format…!

E. GPX files are read by automotive firmware if placed into the internal memory.
Not so if placed into the SD (User manual, pag. 61 tells oterwise)

F. In marine mode you cannot send data directly from MapSource with the procedure explained in the user manual, pag. 30

[ISSUE ALREADY RECOGNIZED BY GARMIN SUPPORT]

As stated in the user manual, pag. 30, column 2 (connecting the device directly to the PC) , I
-powered the unit in marine mode (or switched to marine mode)
-connected the unit to my PC with the USB cable
-Sent with MapSource Wp, Rt and Tracks
when I unplugged the USB cable and rebooted the system, I couldn't retrieve my data in the marine database.

Perhaps I didn’t read well… and understood…
But the procedure stops with step 5. And you expect to retrieve your data right placed in “where to” wp/tr/trk.
Not at all. You still need to import your data: information\user data\data transfer\replace from card

More: when you import data in MapSource (from the unit), they are retrieved only from the UserData.adm file even if you have several files saved in the unit.

G. in automotive mode, waypoints sent from mapsource are imported directly.
Not so with routes. You must import them form the file/s stored into the unit
(MapSource puts your routes there). Two steps.
When importing routes the unit immediately calculates the routing and this step is very slow.
(Now I understand the 10 routes limit…)

H. 10 routes limit (automotive mode) is inadequate
(even if you can load them from GPX file/s in groups of 10)
15 days of travel @ 2 routes a day = 30 routes at least, immediately accessibles.

Solutions:

ONE DB FOR BOTH MARINE AND AUTOMOTIVE MODE
DAILY TRACKLOG IN .GPX FORMAT
(yyyy-mm-dd.gpx AS IN GPSMAP 60CSx) for both Automotive and Marine mode (Merged)
FULL SUPPORT FOR .GPX FILES (automotive and marine)
ADD CAPABILITY TO SEND/RECEIVE DATA FROM/TO MAPSOURCE WITHOUT ANY OTHER ANNOYING STEP (WRITE DIRECTLY TO DATABASE)
UNIFORM THE DATA TRANSFER PROCESS
DO NOT CALCULATE ROUTING ON ROUTES IMPORT
MORE THAN 10 ROUTES IMMEDIATELY ACCESSIBLES

6. After unplugging USB cable, the unit reboots always in automotive mode, even if previously setted in marine mode

7. the unit lacks Route Avoidance (selected area or road)

MINOR / COSMETICS:

Marine mode:
  • WP and RT list lacks the “note” field
  • WP names length is 10 digits only
  • WP, RT, TRK: preview map is too small: it would be better to add a button “Show Map”
  • “User data” button wold be better under the “main menu” and not under “Information”
  • “Compass” button would be better in main menu and not under “Dashboard”
  • Add a “Compass” button to the menu bar for direct access to that page from map screen
  • Add capability to create a new route from waypoints (search)

Automotive mode:
  • “Custom Routes” under “settings” menu is redundant. It’s the clone of “Where to\Custom routes”
  • Can’t disable declutter (perhaps someone want to see on the map all loaded waypoints)
  • Add “show info” button for selected objects on the map
  • Add Map Setup Option: 3D (course up) under xxx zoom level (otherwise: 2D *North Up*)
  • Provide action to delete mapsets (deleting directly form memory or SD can be… dangerous)
  • MapSource: transfer to\Select Device Window: SD and internal memory have the same name

We think that at least the next issues must be fixed to make this device more useful and friendly to bikers and off-roaders.

1.
ALLOW TOPO/ROUTABLE MAPS TO BE SHOWN/USED IN MARINE MODE
OR
ADD TRACK MANAGEMENT IN AUTOMOTIVE MODE

2.
ROUTING: ASK SHORTER / FASTER / *OFF-ROAD* WHEN SAVING/ACTIVATING A ROUTE AND WHEN SELECTING WHERE TO\WAYPOINT ETC. (ADD CHKBOX “DON’T ASK AGAIN”)

3.
ADD CAPABILITY TO SEND/RECEIVE DATA FROM/TO MAPSOURCE “WITH A CLICK”
UNIFORM THE DATA TRANSFER PROCESS

4.
MORE THAN 10 ROUTES IN AUTOMOTIVE MODE WOULD BE GREAT.
ROUTE CALCULATION PERFORMED WHEN ACTIVATING THE ROUTE

5.
DAILY TRACKLOG IN .GPX FORMAT

6.
ADD OPTION: WAYPOINT\ORDER BY NAME

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Old 04-06-2009, 09:34 AM   #54
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Excellent report! Another product to add to my "will not buy" list. Here's hoping Magellan, Delorme or somebody else can fill this gap. It's obvious that Garmin is completely out of touch with it's user base.
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:13 PM   #55
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Excellent report! Another product to add to my "will not buy" list. Here's hoping Magellan, Delorme or somebody else can fill this gap. It's obvious that Garmin is completely out of touch with it's user base.
No...Garmin knows its user base --- we just aren't part of it.

A quick Google shows Garmin selling about 1,227,000 units back in 2006 --- that number is most likely much much higher today. How many FFers on here? --- 60,000 or so. If we had all bought Garmin GPS devices in 2006 we would only have been about 4% or so of the total--- bet we are down to 2% or less now.
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Old 04-06-2009, 01:04 PM   #56
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No...Garmin knows its user base --- we just aren't part of it.
Yeah, you're right. Several of my co-workers, as well as my Mother and Brother have gotten garmin Nuvis. When I talk to them about the features that my 478 has, they get blank looks. They want a GPS to tell them how to get from here, to there. They don't care about tracks, multi point routes (except my brother), custom avoids, track colors, elevation, customizable features etc. They want it to be obvious without reading the directions, how to use the unit, that's why we've got "Where Am I?" and other dumbed down menus.
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And yes, Garmin doesn't really care about our market segment - had a long talk with a Garmin regional sales rep and they are much more interested in the soccer Mom's - it's all about the numbers.

Maybe, but we were the early adopters.....
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:36 AM   #58
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Glad I saw this thread.
I have the 176C, 276C & 376C. Love them all and was about to put my 276C up for sale as I use the 376C mostly.
If the future of Garmin products is headed in the direction it seems from this thread, I think I'll just hold onto my 276C.

Thanks all for the information. Very informative.
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:26 AM   #59
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Bugs/Issues (2)

Bugs/issues (2)

(SW Ver. 2.20 - automotive mode)

1. Speed limit does not show the last digit when speed value has more than 2 digits (120 Km/h is shown as 12 Km/h)

2. While navigating in off-road mode from A (start) to B (destination) the magenta line always joins A to B.
It would have to join the vehicle current position to the destination instead.
Start position is never updated.

3. Something seems wrong in the map info screen:
Details are the same for both products...

City Navigator Europe NT 2009
[1] TIRANE, SHQIPERIA, LEIRIA, PORTUGAL, LISBOA, PORTUGAL

AdriaROUTE 1.70
[1] TIRANE, SHQIPERIA, LEIRIA, PORTUGAL, LISBOA, PORTUGAL

4. Can't show infos for a selected point on the map (lat/lon etc...)

5. There is not a tool for measuring distance

6. Map view setup: can't set "course up" under xxx zoom level
While driving in the city or near a series of turns the "course up" (or the 3D perspective) view is the best choice, the "north up" view with lower zoom level is more effective and useful when navigating a long leg of route .
So it would be better if the user could choose 3D perspective under xxx zoom level.

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Old 06-14-2009, 05:31 AM   #60
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One more reason to add to the "Will Not Buy" List...

I stopped at the Garmin "Gallery" yesterday here in Chicago to see for myself whether the 640 is as bad as everyone has noted here (also - it's a block away from the Apple store that I needed to visit anyway).

Well - it really is as shitty as everyone has duly noted. WTF was Garmin thinking?! In addition to the removed key features such as fewer Routes and Tracks management in Automotive mode, the XM Weather only works in Marine mode... There is no active weather basemap available once you switch to Automotive mode. WTF Garmin?!

I'm sticking with my trusty 478 - in fact, I may buy another one as a spare at the reduced price - it may not be around for much longer...
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