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Old 05-04-2015, 08:44 AM   #1
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Thumb Fun Car options: BRZ+ w/ Super Charger!?

I've been itching for a new toy of the 4 wheel variety. A second fun car to run errands in and tear up the local canyons, and I think I've figured it out.

I'm looking at a used Suparu BRZ / Scion FRS and to give it a bit more umph I would drop in a CARB approved Super Charger.

A decent BRZ/FRS can be had for around $17K and the CARB approved Super Charger by Jackson Racing runs around $5K. So for just a bit over $22K I can have a fun, lite car that has some get up and go.

Stock output: HP 215 / TQ 150
Super Charged: HP 282 / TQ 215

I know I can do about the same w/ a Miata and a Flying Miata Super Charger.

I'm just looking for some input and seeing if I'm missing something or if there is a better car that would be just as much fun w/out all the upgrades.
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:00 AM   #2
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I've been itching for a new toy of the 4 wheel variety. A second fun car to run errands in and tear up the local canyons, and I think I've figured it out.

I'm looking at a used Suparu BRZ / Scion FRS and to give it a bit more umph I would drop in a CARB approved Super Charger.

A decent BRZ/FRS can be had for around $17K and the CARB approved Super Charger by Jackson Racing runs around $5K. So for just a bit over $22K I can have a fun, lite car that has some get up and go.

Stock output: HP 215 / TQ 150
Super Charged: HP 282 / TQ 215

I know I can do about the same w/ a Miata and a Flying Miata Super Charger.

I'm just looking for some input and seeing if I'm missing something or if there is a better car that would be just as much fun w/out all the upgrades.
You would probably be happier with the Miata unless you like doing front end alignments constantly with the FRS/BRZ. Some of the suspension components are very low quality.
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:15 PM   #3
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+1 MIATA

With all the race and mod support network out there you can go from mild to wild to insane in pretty interesting steps no problem.
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Old 05-04-2015, 02:03 PM   #4
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You would probably be happier with the Miata unless you like doing front end alignments constantly with the FRS/BRZ. Some of the suspension components are very low quality.

Where did you read this?
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Old 05-04-2015, 02:18 PM   #5
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Have you driven either yet?

Would make for a good Saturday afternoon regardless. Then imagine with the extra HP/Torque as neither car is particularly quick in stock form. How important is the convertible feature of the Miata?
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Old 05-04-2015, 04:26 PM   #6
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For that you could get a low mileage Vette that could kill either the cars mentioned above. Add a blower to it and it's a ride you'll never forget.
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Old 05-04-2015, 05:48 PM   #7
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Wow , Jackson racing is still around .

They used to make Honda stuff in the '80's , right ?
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:46 PM   #8
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Where did you read this?
One guy bought a BRZ and did three or four long reviews on you tube. He did some mods for auto-x and commented about some suspension components made out of stamped metal. After five auto-x laps they had to align the front end again. I will try to find the reviews.
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:54 PM   #9
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This is the guy who does the reviews, IIRC part 3 is where the problems show up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=17fo2DT-77U

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWHuEUVK3k
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:11 PM   #10
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For that you could get a low mileage Vette that could kill either the cars mentioned above. Add a blower to it and it's a ride you'll never forget.
Missing the OPs intention. There is an argument for building a small light weight sports car with forced induction that can keep up in the corners with a C6 Vette costing 10 times more - and forget about the tire cost comparison! No contest.

I co-drove a 300+HP turbo Miata in Super Street Mod class for an entire autocross season and there was not a single Z06 anything that was ever faster on raw time. Fast time of the day was had by that car on many occasions. Only things faster were open wheel race cars and the occasional Lotus Exige.

Grassroots example at it's finest, 1st gen Miata, yes the Vette is faster in a straight line but in the corners, different story:

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This is the guy who does the reviews, IIRC part 3 is where the problems show up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=17fo2DT-77U

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rsWHuEUVK3k
I watched those vids. Not impressed with the guy making the vid, and this comment, edited a bit, says it all. I would take what he says about any of those cars he drives with a big grain of salt.

"To add, I find it difficult to understand your intense criticism of this vehicle given the fact that the matrices you utilize to evaluate this vehicle are beyond inconclusive. You act as if you are some sort of engineer who has driven hundreds if not thousand of different vehicles across decades.

..... Toyota and Subaru have paid many engineers with centuries of collective experience, much much smarter then you or I to design this vehicle within a strict budget and limited time frame. In my educated and experienced opinion they have done a great job. Your pompous regard to this fact sickens me. Now if you are surprised that small aftermarket tuners and parts makers are having difficulty designing tunes and part that function 100% Oem or at least close to, you haven't been in the aftermarket world long enough, therefore your opinions and so called evaluations are inconsequential and should be ignore as nothing more than mindless jaw jacking, grow some fucking hair get some colored contact and go drive a v6 mustang or a crossfire "

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Old 05-05-2015, 01:28 AM   #12
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Why not start with something that already has forced induction? My MKV GTI was good fun, and bigger numbers are only a re flash away.
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Missing the OPs intention. There is an argument for building a small light weight sports car with forced induction that can keep up in the corners with a C6 Vette costing 10 times more - and forget about the tire cost comparison! No contest.

I co-drove a 300+HP turbo Miata in Super Street Mod class for an entire autocross season and there was not a single Z06 anything that was ever faster on raw time. Fast time of the day was had by that car on many occasions. Only things faster were open wheel race cars and the occasional Lotus Exige.

Grassroots example at it's finest, 1st gen Miata, yes the Vette is faster in a straight line but in the corners, different story:

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I watched the video. Not sure this fully makes your point because the driver in the Vette really isn't very good, whereas the driver of the Miata seems to know what he is doing.
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Old 05-05-2015, 04:34 AM   #14
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Why not start with something that already has forced induction? My MKV GTI was good fun, and bigger numbers are only a re flash away.
The wheels that make it go are at the wrong end of the car....IMHO....unless you do an AWD version then....KA CHING.
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Old 05-05-2015, 04:44 AM   #15
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Wouldn't it be cool to find an old 2002, or Datsun 510 in driving/racing condition?
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