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Old 02-18-2010, 10:47 AM   #5116
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i'd rather it get closed off then a bunch of shitty houses and a walmart get built, or the entire thing gets bulldozed for mining
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:55 AM   #5117
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I don't understand why making something a National Monument by definition means that the area can only be traversed by foot from now on. Imagine the Great Basin for example. Without some sort of motorized transport, those areas may never be seen up close again. Protection from development is an understandable goal, protection from any exploration is not. Why are we protecting it if no one will ever see it again? Philosophically speaking, do treasures have value if no one ever sees them again?
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:04 AM   #5118
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Federal Land grab alert

Thanks KIC for staying vigilant !!! Clinton's grab was a huge blow to Utah's motorized access,and local economy in the 90's. Administrations agendas DO matter !!!
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:42 AM   #5119
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i'd rather it get closed off then a bunch of shitty houses and a walmart get built, or the entire thing gets bulldozed for mining
I hope you also support zero or negative population growth.
Look at the NYC housing market...

I agree, protection of the land is one thing and closing it off to everyone except Bear Grylls is another thing.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:24 PM   #5120
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Anyone who doesn't support zero population growth isn't paying attention to what's going on in the world. Population pressure begets new "innovations" in agriculture which begets more people. The cycle will continue until the mother of all famines. The only question is when it will happen. If the green revolution would just STOP already we could get the population growth numbers down. But then the IMF wouldn't need to lend developing nations money to buy GMO Monsanto soy protein to feed their people. How are we to subjugate them if they don't owe us money?

Are 6 billion people objectively better than 4 billion people, or just more? How about 8 or 12 billion?
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:24 PM   #5121
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As unpopular as this is, I think there is a definite need to protect land *now*.

If we don't do it now, our kids and our grand-kids won't know what 'open space' is.
Of course they'll know what it is...they'll have it on Xbox for doG's sake. Are you tellin' me there are kids out there right now who would rather go outside than play XBox?


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Old 02-18-2010, 01:04 PM   #5122
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Of course they'll know what it is...they'll have it on Xbox for doG's sake.


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Old 02-18-2010, 02:20 PM   #5123
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I don't understand why making something a National Monument by definition means that the area can only be traversed by foot from now on. Imagine the Great Basin for example. Without some sort of motorized transport, those areas may never be seen up close again. Protection from development is an understandable goal, protection from any exploration is not. Why are we protecting it if no one will ever see it again? Philosophically speaking, do treasures have value if no one ever sees them again?
I ride in the Ironwood national monument all the time and have riden in the Sonoran Desert monumemt - many roads can be left open.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:23 PM   #5124
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The forest service was grading the west end of the box canyon road today.

Russ: Maybe you can get that KTM 380 EXC on your xbox.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:31 PM   #5125
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The forest service was grading the west end of the box canyon road today.

Russ: Maybe you can get that KTM 380 EXC on your xbox.
X-box hell . . . put that thing on a Wii.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:50 PM   #5126
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Hey Mr. Biguns, someday you might be flying something like this...talk about a HELICOPTER.

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Old 02-18-2010, 05:26 PM   #5127
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Are you tellin' me there are kids out there right now who would rather go outside than play XBox?
our grandkids.
they'd much rather boondock in the desert with us & ride dirtbikes than play video games.
just sayin'
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:41 PM   #5128
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then...somebody did somethin' proper.........
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:56 PM   #5129
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then...somebody did somethin' proper.........
it's easy to bribe them with fire:

who can resist a good fire?
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:03 PM   #5130
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Give em 1 acre they take 100. Give em 500,000 and they wil take it all. You have to look at overall agenda. The evvronmental whacko's are now in charge. They don't want ANYBODY on anything in "their" land.

I am all for taking care of teh environment, not trashing the land but you have to know who is in charge and what their plans are. Not looking to change this forum into a political thing, but just look at what the Feds have done to the areas they are in charge of.

I used to have a blast and camp and fish Rosevelt Lake. Then the Govt took it over and screwed it all to hell.

Just saying.....keep an eye open..they have an agenda..and it doesn't include you and me...
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