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Old 02-10-2009, 12:22 PM   #16
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I think any advantage the 250's offer on the trails would be thin...while the 400 will be tons more comfortable on the roads.
400 more comfortable on the road? Really? Go ride them both on the road, then get back to me. The WRR has a much better seat and fewer vibrations by far than the 400. No vibrations and a comfy seat = more comfortable on the road . . . but again . . . that's just me.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:24 PM   #17
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I think any advantage the 250's offer on the trails would be thin...while the 400 will be tons more comfortable on the roads. If you are going to be doing much of the latter, an important point. DRZ is also a tough, dependable motor and easy to maintain.

All good bikes ultimately...just a matter of the best fit I expect.
The advantage of the 2 250's on the trails compared to the DRZ is they both have much better suspension. The DRZ wouldn't be any more comfortable the teh 250's either. That's pure nonsense. As for tough and dependable, the WR motor has a lot less maintenance and it 's a tried and proven mill. Yamaha's don't tend to eat their cam chains like Zuks do.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:27 PM   #18
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The advantage of the 2 250's on the trails compared to the DRZ is they both have much better suspension. The DRZ wouldn't be any more comfortable the teh 250's either. That's pure nonsense. As for tough and dependable, the WR motor has a lot less maintenance and it 's a tried and proven mill. Yamaha's don't tend to eat their cam chains like Zuks do.
Speaking of which . . . we just finished our winter dual sport a few weeks ago. 11 bikes started. 10 finished. One of the DRZ's in the pack blew his motor. The WRR finished with flying colors . . . and was the only one capable of powering full heated gear with its 350watt alternator
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:27 PM   #19
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One difference nobody has mentioned (now I see Albie beat me to it while I was typing) is that the WR250R has a whole generation (or two) newer suspension than the DRZ400. I strongly suspect the 250 would flat kill the 400 on a motocross track.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:28 PM   #20
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I ran a DRZ for close to 13,000 miles - no issues. Check the valves every 6000 miles - less than an hour job - really not a big deal.

Cam chain problems are dealt with by a cheap manual tensioner.

25 hp on the Yamaha is really marginal for road work.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:29 PM   #21
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Talking WR250R is the king in my book.

After riding many bikes from old XT 500's to newer yz250 two strokes, i would say this is the best little dual sport that anyone has made. The only thing that is close would be the DRZ, but that has 150 more cc's. If you do modify the wr it will blow anything under a 500 on the trails. But i guess it all depends on who is riding, what they want out of the bike. I did drag race a 1977 yamaha tt500 heavily modified(bored balanced, geared for highway, and with proper exhaust) and i outright smoked him down 285. This doesn't translate though into how fast you can go in the woods. The better suspension on the WR is just outright wonderful on the tight stuff. I have ridden a DR but not on the trails. The only thing i would reccommend is going with a 450 on this because the power is a lil soft for me on the nasty shit off-road. Like i said my opinion is this lil 250 has got to be the easiest to ride and the best to do it in the dirt with a plate off the showroom floor. But that's my opinion?
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I ran a DRZ for close to 13,000 miles - no issues. Check the valves every 6000 miles - less than an hour job - really not a big deal.

Cam chain problems are dealt with by a cheap manual tensioner.

25 hp on the Yamaha is really marginal for road work.
13,000 miles is almost half way to the first valve inspection on a WRR.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:38 PM   #23
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I strongly suspect the 250 would flat kill the 400 on a motocross track.
Yes, but the DRZ is a better observed trials bike!
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:42 PM   #24
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Yes, but the DRZ is a better observed trials bike!
Yes, and both observations are kind of ridiculous, but useful. The greater low rpm torque of the DRZ would be very welcome on some nasty single track climbs. So think about how you like to ride before you choose.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:43 PM   #25
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Yes, but the DRZ is a better observed trials bike!
Negative. We've run our WRR's on our trials training obstacles and believe it or not . . . it does quite well Anytime you want to bring a DRZ over to play on it, you're more than welcome to.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:48 PM   #26
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13,000 miles is almost half way to the first valve inspection on a WRR.
Are you afraid of a valve inspection (I never had to adjust them). It is really very easy.

If I had to do it after every ride then it would be a big deal - but just checking every 6000 is nothing.
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Are you afraid of a valve inspection (I never had to adjust them). It is really very easy.

If I had to do it after every ride then it would be a big deal - but just checking every 6000 is nothing.
Checking every 26,600 is even more nothing.
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Yes, and both observations are kind of ridiculous, but useful. The greater low rpm torque of the DRZ would be very welcome on some nasty single track climbs. So think about how you like to ride before you choose.
Yep. The difference between the 250's and 400 is more torque then power. And the different between having a motor that is merely busy on the roads vs one that is screaming!
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Old 02-10-2009, 01:02 PM   #29
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Yep. The difference between the 250's and 400 is more torque then power. And the different between having a motor that is merely busy on the roads vs one that is screaming!
You're right about not wanting a screaming motor heading down the highway. The DRZ feels like it's going to fall apart at 75 mph. The WRR is smooth as silk at that speed.
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Old 02-10-2009, 01:03 PM   #30
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bike --- hp --- torque ---weight ----- qtr-mile
DR --- 32.5 --- 23.9 --- 335 lbs --- 14.30 @ 87.81
WR --- 23.5 ---14.4 --- 301 lbs --- 15.51 @ 80.88

So, the Suzuki is more powerful than the Yamaha, and the Suzuki is heavier than the Yamaha. Now let me make some popcorn while I watch how this plays out.
Nothing to play out - the data speaks for itself. I have no issue with people liking the WRR, but saying they have the same power or same speed as the DRZ is simply not true as the data above clearly shows.

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