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Old 02-15-2009, 04:47 PM   #1
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Sidecar Jack thread

I will start this off. I bought a cheap bottle jack for my Ural and it works fine when i need it and its pretty small. I have seen a couple good ideas for jacks since i bought mine. Lets exchange what we are all using.

My two offerings for good ideas other than my cheap bottle jack are:


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How about a low pressure air bag?

http://www.ok4wd.com/index.php/catal...ranger_x_jack/

Wouldn't take much and you could use exhaust or your tire pump (electric).

I just did some searching and most of the stuff I found online is overkill. I'm guessing you may be able to get by with some kind of beach ball. Not for the total lift but in conjunction with manual lift.


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If this was just a bit cheaper i would order one right now. I think this is a good idea. This would be great for my Ural too.





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http://snowbuddy.com/whysnowbuddy.html

There is a good thread over in GS spot on these jacks.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400891
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Old 02-15-2009, 05:09 PM   #2
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:40 AM   #3
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Small scissors jacks can be had at junkyards cheap.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:50 AM   #4
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Any link to aluminum scissor jacks for a weigh saving haul in my future sidecar. Thanks....
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:00 PM   #5
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I've never used jacks to get a bike with a sidecar up in the air, I've always used leverage and planning.

All it takes is three standard jack stands and two people. One once you've done it a few times and figured out the best order to do things in.

One... Lift the chair wheel so the sidecar is up on the balance point.

Two... place your first jack stand somewhere solid between the rear wheel and the chair, as high up as it will go, biased more towards the rear wheel.

Three... push the chair wheel back down to earth using the pivot point of the jack stand to lift the rear of the bike off the ground... generally a good distance.

Four... place a jack stand on the outside at a fixed point behind the engine. I generally use the frame or forward portion of the swing arm cross member.

Five... Lift the chair wheel up (pretty easy) so it's level with the rear wheel.

Six... place a jack stand under the sidecar frame biased behind the chair wheel axle, on the outside frame loop.

Seven... Go to the front of the bike and lift it up (easier than you think if you got your rear jacks forward enough) so it is level.

Eight... slide your third and final jack stand under the front of the bike along a frame rail or suitable hard point with a bias towards the inside between the chair and the bike.

That's it really, no jack required. I've used this method of Chinese-hack-lifting to lift all my bikes once I figured it out for myself one day. I cover the tops of my dedicated jack stands (set of 4) with soft leather to keep from marring the paint on my frame or the aluminum bits.

I get this up in the air 20 inches by myself using this method. Same with our heavier-by-150-pounds CSR, the RGM, and other standard motorcycle/sidecar combinations.



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Old 02-16-2009, 12:50 PM   #6
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In the garage it's not an issue for me. Out on the trail it's a whole different story. For me the main need for a jack out on the trail is to be able to pull a wheel off to fix a flat. The side wheel is easy. Just lift the sidecar until the left foot peg hits the ground. For the front and rear you need something to help lift, then hold the wheel off the ground. I do both with a single 1 inch square aluminum tube about 18 inches long (light weight, easy to carry). I've fabricated a square receiver hole near the right foot peg, pointing down, just behind the front-to-rear balance point of the bike. With the tube installed in that receiver, the rear wheel will be just off the ground. If I want the front off the ground I simply put a few pounds of weight on the rear of the sidecar and the front comes up. The tricky part is getting that tube into the hole without jacking the bike up first. To do that I lift the sidecar up pretty high, and reach under to insert the tube into the receiver. When I tip the sidecar back down, the tube hits the ground, automatically lifting the rear wheel. So, I don't have to lift the heavy front or rear of the bike. It works great, and requires the simplest of tools, a piece of aluminum tube.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:26 PM   #7
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In the garage it's not an issue for me. Out on the trail it's a whole different story. For me the main need for a jack out on the trail is to be able to pull a wheel off to fix a flat. The side wheel is easy. Just lift the sidecar until the left foot peg hits the ground. For the front and rear you need something to help lift, then hold the wheel off the ground. I do both with a single 1 inch square aluminum tube about 18 inches long (light weight, easy to carry).
That's an excellent idea. And works along the same lines as my fulcrum/leverage concept to get a rig up in the air without a jack.

I bet with the addition of a single custom lightweight collapsible jack stand this would make an excellent trail kit for any standard sidecar.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:27 PM   #8
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Scissor jacks similar to this one:



http://www.halfords.nl/NL/Auto/Catalog/ProductDetail.htm?productId=525006

(just a cheap example, similar ones available all over the world, could have been any brand, not affiliated blah, blah blah) in combination with two pieces of soft wood (approx. 8” x 8”, could be larger) work fine for me, even off-road (with the peaces of wood). It lifts high enough, even sidecars with soft shocks.

I can’t lift my hack alone on any three points and I think 99% of the average hack rider can’t. (mine is heavy).

Not everybody rides his rounds less than half a mile away from his pitbox....... or has a monkey who could help..... , when needed "in the middle of nowhere", and I think this is what was meant. (At home or special events I indeed use a hydraulic trolley jack.)

Cheap, not too heavy, small size.

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Old 02-16-2009, 01:36 PM   #9
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Scissor jacks similar to this one:


Not everybody rides his rounds less than half a mile away from his pitbox....... or has a monkey who could help..... , when needed "in the middle of nowhere", and I think this is what was meant. (At home or special events I indeed use a hydraulic trolley jack.)

Cheap, not too heavy, small size.

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Maybe I'm just freakishly unusually strong, (which I doubt) but I have yet to come across a rig that I couldn't lift the chair wheel up on by putting my back to the chair wheel, grabbing the tire/frame, and just lifting with my legs.

It's the same technique they teach Gold Wing riders to right their monsters when they fall over. I've seen little ladies do it at motorcycle shows.

Once the hack reaches a height of more than a few inches it gets progressively easier to lift as the motorcycle turns into a counterweight to assist your lifting effort. It's all technique.

I've used the fulcrum technique on several different configurations of standard road sidecars, race rigs, three wheeled devices... to get them up in the air.

Hell, out on the road with the RGM when I had to fix something I used a technique just like what HogWild described but substitute '18 inch square aluminum tube' with ' strategically placed full face helmet' to get the job done.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:57 PM   #10
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Scissor jacks similar to this one:



I picked up this on from the local Craigslist Auto Parts listing for $10.00.
I had to saw off the top attachment notched for a bumper, leaving a "V"
notch as yours above which fits under the tube frame like it was made
for it.

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Old 02-16-2009, 01:58 PM   #11
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Claude...

Any link to aluminum scissor jacks for a weigh saving haul in my future sidecar. Thanks....
Heck the standard steel ones don't weigh that much. There were some aluminum ones around though. Porsche 944s had an aluminum scissors jack.

The whole leverage deal does work pretty well though. With the right stuff one can pick up any corner of a rig although it can get a little hairy and care must be taken.
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:22 PM   #12
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I carry a "Ural Jack" in both my Ural rigs but the BMW gets a sissor Jack as it has no center stand and weighs more.

A "Ural Jack" is a 2x4 with a notch in one end and just long enough to hold the sidecar wheel off the ground when placed under the sidecar frame. It can also be put under a flat rear tire so you can pull the bike up on the center stand. Once on the center stand it is then used to keep the front or rear of the bike in the air as needed. It can also be used as a fulcrum as discribed above.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:44 PM   #13
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Unable to carry the trolley jack that resides in the garage, it's always a scissor jack for me. They are versatile, easily packed in the sidecar, and economic. Unlike hydraulic jacks, they are reliable evn if obtained from a breakers yard, or old car.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:47 PM   #14
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I have a $20 sissors jack I got from the local junk yard. I can easily lift any tire on the rig. I also carry a small piece of plywood in case I need to work in soft ground. The plywood lays in the bottom of the trunk and takes up almost no room. The jack resides in the brackets meant for the tire pump which I sh*t canned after it quit working. The jack takes up no room at all.

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Old 02-20-2009, 02:24 AM   #15
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I just picked up a scissor jack today at a swap meet for $2.
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