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Old 04-16-2013, 06:00 PM   #6316
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What wheel spacers you have on it?

+1 on pulling, it's so effortless. Stopping though makes me think that upgrading to 17 wheels is worth while- keep waiting in the hopes that I'll be able to do a 4x4 conversion.


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No wheel spacers, but that's on the list. These wheels have no offset, iirc, so they do stick out a bit. They are 17 inch wheels.

There's a whole other story with the brakes. My rear brake line burst just before coming down from the south rim of the Black Canyon. Luckily, our trailer has great brakes, because that's the only thing that stopped us going into Montrose, and to the Ford dealership. All fixed now.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:04 PM   #6317
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No wheel spacers, but that's on the list. These wheels have no offset, iirc, so they do stick out a bit. They are 17 inch wheels.

There's a whole other story with the brakes. My rear brake line burst just before coming down from the south rim of the Black Canyon. Luckily, our trailer has great brakes, because that's the only thing that stopped us going into Montrose, and to the Ford dealership. All fixed now.
Yikes on the brakes

Some might say those rims stick out quite a lot, in a good way.


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Old 04-16-2013, 08:09 PM   #6318
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Stopping though makes me think that upgrading to 17 wheels is worth while-
How do you expect that to help the braking? You have 16s now?
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:15 PM   #6319
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Yikes on the brakes

Some might say those rims stick out quite a lot, in a good way.


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I just want spacers on the rear of the van; the rear track is a lot narrower than the front, and theoretically anyway, it should handle better and be more stable with a wider rear track; I think that the spacers are pretty common on 4x4 conversions.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:02 PM   #6320
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I just want spacers on the rear of the van; the rear track is a lot narrower than the front, and theoretically anyway, it should handle better and be more stable with a wider rear track; I think that the spacers are pretty common on 4x4 conversions.
Call Chris at UJoint. He's got a guy who machines stainless spacers to whatever size you need. They're awesome and very well made.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:58 PM   #6321
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How do you expect that to help the braking? You have 16s now?
Yes, 16s- I meant with 17s there's room to upgrade to F350 brakes, bigger rotors etc.

Hayduke, from my research spacers are common if the rear axle is kept. Some places recommend upgrading the rear axle as well, the F250/350 is wider hence no spacers needed.

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Old 04-16-2013, 10:03 PM   #6322
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Call Chris at UJoint. He's got a guy who machines stainless spacers to whatever size you need. They're awesome and very well made.
The regular ones are $350 for 1.5"-3", Hayduke would need custom ones to match his wheels.


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Old 04-17-2013, 05:42 AM   #6323
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Well, there is no stability control for one, in most vans pre 2006 I think.
Sure there is, it's called "a driver".

I researched this rollover stuff before I bought my van, biggest cause I saw for these rollovers was a combination of tire and driver errors. People put passenger tires on these vans and/or run them underinflated, then stick someone with no experience driving anything larger than a half ton pickup behind the wheel. Even the linked article says "the risk of rollover in an overloaded van is high". Keep proper tires on the van with 80 psi in them, don't drive it like it's a vette and the van will be fine.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:58 AM   #6324
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Sure there is, it's called "a driver".

I researched this rollover stuff before I bought my van, biggest cause I saw for these rollovers was a combination of tire and driver errors. People put passenger tires on these vans and/or run them underinflated, then stick someone with no experience driving anything larger than a half ton pickup behind the wheel. Even the linked article says "the risk of rollover in an overloaded van is high". Keep proper tires on the van with 80 psi in them, don't drive it like it's a vette and the van will be fine.
If you're not running e-rated tires, 80psi is a no-go.

e-rated tires = E350 or similar van.

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Old 04-17-2013, 07:35 AM   #6325
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The regular ones are $350 for 1.5"-3", Hayduke would need custom ones to match his wheels.


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Why would they need to be custom? My wheels are the same bolt pattern as stock and they fit fine with the stock axle now. They would just match up with the front, I would think (they are the same offset all around), unless I'm missing something.

As for brakes; I've gone through the brakes, and replaced a couple of calipers and rotors (typical on a vehicle with 295,000 miles I suppose), but they are all stock, and I've never noticed a lack of braking power. They haul this thing down pretty good. I've been pretty impressed with how strong they are, actually. It's a heavy truck, and usually loaded.

I spent yesterday cleaning it all up and getting ready for another trip; we have to head east next week to pick up some inventory for my wife's shop. The van loves interstate cruising; I wish I did.
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:44 AM   #6326
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The regular ones are $350 for 1.5"-3", Hayduke would need custom ones to match his wheels.


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I didn't say they were cheap! I said they were good.

And they're kind of all custom... It's not like the machinist has a stack of them sitting around, it's a niche market.
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:22 PM   #6327
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Sure there is, it's called "a driver".
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Why would they need to be custom? My wheels are the same bolt pattern as stock and they fit fine with the stock axle now. They would just match up with the front, I would think (they are the same offset all around), unless I'm missing something.
Oops, I assumed the bolt pattern isn't the same.

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I didn't say they were cheap! I said they were good.

And they're kind of all custom... It's not like the machinist has a stack of them sitting around, it's a niche market.
I didn't imply they're expensive, was referring to bolt pattern, as in not fitting. I'd say they're not expensive given that I paid $75 for a 2"x5"flat stainless steel extender that needed to be machined due to some funky holes etc.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:12 AM   #6328
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If you're not running e-rated tires, 80psi is a no-go.

e-rated tires = E350 or similar van.

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E rated tires are the spec'd tires on all the extended vans, or at least they are now (according to what I've found).

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford-truck/e-.../features.html
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:22 PM   #6329
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E rated tires are the spec'd tires on all the extended vans, or at least they are now (according to what I've found).

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford-truck/e-.../features.html
Yes, but they're expensive and many don't replace with E based on what I've seen driving around...

I'm complaining because I need a new spare and the E is $50 more than the C. And the E is impossible (apparently) to find used.
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Old 04-18-2013, 03:43 PM   #6330
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They won't install anything but E.

However if you take the wheel to the shop instead of the van, most will put on whatever you want.

We have used Michelin LTX D load range on our vans - they've lasted 75-95,000 miles.
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