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Old 07-05-2013, 09:00 AM   #2821
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Not gonna happen without LOTS of $ being thrown at that minor (to most people) problem.

Most people don't know enough to know enough. They'll happily ride the crappiest seat known to man because they don't know that better seats are available.

...at least IME.

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Not entirely true. A couple decades in the bicycle business, including the period in which Avocet began marketing its line of saddles and during which manufacturers finally realized some folks DO realize when their ass hurts and the saddle might be the reason, has shown me that people will pay for the difference. I prefer Brooks (a trusty Pro, a now-stolen Team Pro, a B17, a Fujita Pro--surprisingly good Brooks copy) but have had some break in quickly and right and others never (an early Brooks Titanium Swift and a French-made Ideale 90). Other brands have their advantages and drawbacks. In the end, so to speak, it all comes down to the butt and the perceived value of a replacement seat.

Incidentally, the trusty one got special treatment while touring in Italy. Some old guy recommended treating it with butter, so while camping each night I'd take the saddle off the bike, disassemble it and put butter on the underside, then work it by flexing and twisting it, then put it back on the for next day's ride. I won't claim that's the reason it is soft and comfy, but it IS soft and comfy.
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Old 07-06-2013, 04:26 AM   #2822
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Not entirely true. A couple decades in the bicycle business, including the period in which Avocet began marketing its line of saddles and during which manufacturers finally realized some folks DO realize when their ass hurts and the saddle might be the reason, has shown me that people will pay for the difference.
IME most people don't know how to ride their bikes (shifting, pedal stroke, etc), much less how to fit their bikes to them, so stocking a bunch of expensive-ass stuff is a waste of $$.

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I prefer Brooks (a trusty Pro, a now-stolen Team Pro, a B17, a Fujita Pro--surprisingly good Brooks copy) but have had some break in quickly and right and others never (an early Brooks Titanium Swift and a French-made Ideale 90). Other brands have their advantages and drawbacks. In the end, so to speak, it all comes down to the butt and the perceived value of a replacement seat.
The person who is looking for a Brooks has gone beyond 'I've got this great bike that I ride occasionally...' to 'I'm a cyclist...' There's a great chance when they get to 'enthusiast' status that they've found forums, the online places, and generally stop needing to run to the LBS to have their stems straightened.

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Old 07-06-2013, 07:15 AM   #2823
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I haven't gotten thought the entire thread yet but here's my favorite bike:

Carbon fiber frame + 50cc 2-stroke. Weeee!
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Old 07-06-2013, 08:54 AM   #2824
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IME most people don't know how to ride their bikes (shifting, pedal stroke, etc), much less how to fit their bikes to them, so stocking a bunch of expensive-ass stuff is a waste of $$.


The person who is looking for a Brooks has gone beyond 'I've got this great bike that I ride occasionally...' to 'I'm a cyclist...' There's a great chance when they get to 'enthusiast' status that they've found forums, the online places, and generally stop needing to run to the LBS to have their stems straightened.

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I was not suggesting that a Brooks is what everyone should want or have, and I do not disagree that many folks out there an bikes are totally clueless about riding. Don't even get me started on their situational awareness and ability to maneuver on public thoroughfares. My point was that even some of these folks can opine that they don't like riding due to discomfort in the nether regions, and that even these folks might agree that a more comfortable saddle might improve the riding experience. Helping someone like this find a better saddle might contribute to making such a person more interested in becoming a cycling enthusiast.

I have been out of the bike biz for a few years, but from what I've seen lately bike manufacturers are equipping bikes with saddles that at least appear to be better than what was stock in the bike boom days. It was tough then to convince someone who'd just spent good money on a bike that s/he needed to spend more on a better saddle. Many buyers did come back to do just that.
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:51 PM   #2825
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I was not suggesting that a Brooks is what everyone should want or have, and I do not disagree that many folks out there an bikes are totally clueless about riding. Don't even get me started on their situational awareness and ability to maneuver on public thoroughfares. My point was that even some of these folks can opine that they don't like riding due to discomfort in the nether regions, and that even these folks might agree that a more comfortable saddle might improve the riding experience. Helping someone like this find a better saddle might contribute to making such a person more interested in becoming a cycling enthusiast.

I have been out of the bike biz for a few years, but from what I've seen lately bike manufacturers are equipping bikes with saddles that at least appear to be better than what was stock in the bike boom days. It was tough then to convince someone who'd just spent good money on a bike that s/he needed to spend more on a better saddle. Many buyers did come back to do just that.
I agree that the contact points on a bicycle are THE place to spend $$. Saddles, bars/grips or road bends. Get the right one(s) and your comfort improves significantly.

All the folks that I've talked to lately don't have a clue. Not a bit of one, actually. Most of the bikes wandering out of the shop cost $500 or less. ...and then they wonder WhyTF they fall apart when they commute on em. Gee. I don't know. Why DO cheap bikes fall apart when you ride em like that?!

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Old 07-08-2013, 05:34 AM   #2826
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I was not suggesting that a Brooks is what everyone should want or have, and I do not disagree that many folks out there an bikes are totally clueless about riding. Don't even get me started on their situational awareness and ability to maneuver on public thoroughfares. My point was that even some of these folks can opine that they don't like riding due to discomfort in the nether regions, and that even these folks might agree that a more comfortable saddle might improve the riding experience. Helping someone like this find a better saddle might contribute to making such a person more interested in becoming a cycling enthusiast.

I have been out of the bike biz for a few years, but from what I've seen lately bike manufacturers are equipping bikes with saddles that at least appear to be better than what was stock in the bike boom days. It was tough then to convince someone who'd just spent good money on a bike that s/he needed to spend more on a better saddle. Many buyers did come back to do just that.
Agreed. It always infuriated me that the bike manufacturers would sell their frames for ludicrous $$$$ with a shite saddle and heavy, crap wheelsets as original equipment. At a minimum, they should offer their base model frame and allow the buyer to option up at a reduced price under MSRP. this may mean the buyer has to wait a few days for the options to be ordered/installed, but so long as the shop obtains a good-faith, non-refundable deposit on the package, I don't see a problem. A bike should be an investment, not a commodity.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:18 AM   #2827
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Ok, I had a chance to ride a buddy's Pugsley for a short stint yesterday on rocky, boggy terrain and I'm convinced. For Newfoundland riding it might just be the best concept ever.

My Intense Tracer VP is very capable but the tires just couldn't do the flotation. We had a great ride until I tore off my derailleur again, thanks to mu friend for all the towing he did.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:10 AM   #2828
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:24 AM   #2829
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:32 AM   #2830
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:33 AM   #2831
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tri-fat-bike? I see three tires...
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:56 AM   #2832
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That could be interesting, making a trike. My friend has a small bike fab business in New Hampshire (44 Bikes), and I picked up one of his frames. This is a Fat tire frame, I have the Nates (3.8) for spring, summer and fall and the third tire is a Surly Bud (4.8) that I'll run on the front once the snow falls. Both will be mounted on Marge lites.


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Old 07-08-2013, 11:59 AM   #2833
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I'm hoping to be at the 29 to 30lbs range when done. 1x10 gearing will help a little, the biggest weight "loss" is in the tires. I have the 120TPI for both the Nate's and Buds, the Marge lites and using a lighter tube (Q-Tube) that works on a 2.25 to 2.75 tire, but more than half the weight of a Surly tube.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:01 PM   #2834
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My friend has a small bike fab business in New Hampshire (44 Bikes)
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:55 PM   #2835
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