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Old 10-17-2013, 09:11 PM   #3616
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And another one that's not mine. Igleheart, moved to Portland a couple of years ago and shares a shop with Joseph Ahearne. He's the nicest guy ever and has been a part of countless brands out east. Other than the fact that their creator is just an incredible human being, the best thing about his bikes are the simplicity and execution.

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Old 10-17-2013, 09:14 PM   #3617
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Have you ever seeing a Pegoretti in person, amazing oversize and super responsive steel frames and I'm not even into road bikes, plus the paint jobs are super fun too..
I used to own a Pegoretti Fina Estampa. The construction was flawless but I have to admit, the ride was totally underwhelming. To be fair, it's an aluminum bike and I kind of bought into the KoolAid that surrounds it "it doesn't ride like aluminum", "it has the snappiness of steel". It definitely rode like aluminum but was very easy to handle, very predictable just harsh.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:23 PM   #3618
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last few and then I'd better go do something productive.

can you tell that I like the bikes more for the people behind them than the bikes themselves?

Steve Potts. Nicest guy on the planet. Wicked smart. Good at everything. I've owned two of his bikes in the past and wish I still had them.

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Rody of Groovy. Formerly with Grove Innovations. Also crazy smart, creative and extremely capable. He works harder than anyone I've ever met. Full time fire fighter, race organizer and frame builder.

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Old 10-17-2013, 09:43 PM   #3619
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I used to own a Pegoretti Fina Estampa. The construction was flawless but I have to admit, the ride was totally underwhelming. To be fair, it's an aluminum bike and I kind of bought into the KoolAid that surrounds it "it doesn't ride like aluminum", "it has the snappiness of steel". It definitely rode like aluminum but was very easy to handle, very predictable just harsh.
NOT like i will ever have the money to buy one, but i will only buy steel from him, I rode one of the Orange ones (don't remember the name) the one with the internally reinforce (connect it) down tube and I like it very much (6.2" 235pounds)
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:46 PM   #3620
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Yep, he's great. I'd like to sit down with a bottle of scotch with that guy.

you sir, would have an empty bottle of scotch in no time at all.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:49 PM   #3621
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last few and then I'd better go do something productive.

can you tell that I like the bikes more for the people behind them than the bikes themselves?

Steve Potts. Nicest guy on the planet. Wicked smart. Good at everything. I've owned two of his bikes in the past and wish I still had them.

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Yeah I meet Steve a few times he is so chill, but you can tell his brain is going a million miles a hour..

I also like Joe Breeze very much, such a cool nice warm guy

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I have never seeing one in person but I have seeing a few over the net, no idea he work so much..

I really enjoy old school hand painted bikes, well new school to I guess..
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Old 10-18-2013, 04:55 AM   #3622
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here's another one...a Baum out of Australia. These guys put together an amazing total package and I'd love to have one.

GTB, Blue Sky, Venom Green, Cubano
I love them. Built in my home town of Geelong in Victoria. My dad did a factory tour about 2 months ago and loved it.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:05 AM   #3623
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I used to own a Pegoretti Fina Estampa. The construction was flawless but I have to admit, the ride was totally underwhelming. To be fair, it's an aluminum bike and I kind of bought into the KoolAid that surrounds it "it doesn't ride like aluminum", "it has the snappiness of steel". It definitely rode like aluminum but was very easy to handle, very predictable just harsh.
I've always been curious...I've always had the impression that much of this stuff is craft-oriented. Is it pretty much left up to the fabricator to figure out by experience/experiment the specifics about weld strength, rigidity, ride quality, etc, based on what their collective skills/techniques can accomplish? How much effort is made to try to estimate/engineer it first? Or even afterwards?

It's pretty much "let's try it and have someone put it through its paces," right?
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:53 AM   #3624
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The only ones I know of are NOS on ebay.....

Most of the new ones suck.
agreed. i'm still hoping to find that exception.
i don't mind the fact that i might chew through them faster than what i'm used to with what i'd been using, i just don't like the places they leave me when they fail.


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Have you thought about a rebuild for the Sachs?

yeah, but the last one i had is long gone, after a good long hard service.
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Old 10-18-2013, 08:58 AM   #3625
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dang, Andrew; almost your size, too.



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Stainless Steel Touring Bike
possibly too tall, even for you?
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Old 10-18-2013, 09:01 AM   #3626
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i liked Pegorettis paint (almost as much as Land Sharks), but got kinda' turned off by them in general when i saw one in a local builders shop without paint on it; some of the things that were done to make the lugs "pretty" just seemed cheesy to me.


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Have you ever seeing a Pegoretti in person, amazing oversize and super responsive steel frames and I'm not even into road bikes, plus the paint jobs are super fun too..
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:29 AM   #3627
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No but Jeff Jones is really good too and his bikes are master pieces but also extremely expensive..
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I was just measuring out cables last week.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:13 PM   #3628
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I've always been curious...I've always had the impression that much of this stuff is craft-oriented. Is it pretty much left up to the fabricator to figure out by experience/experiment the specifics about weld strength, rigidity, ride quality, etc, based on what their collective skills/techniques can accomplish? How much effort is made to try to estimate/engineer it first? Or even afterwards?

It's pretty much "let's try it and have someone put it through its paces," right?
It is and it isn't. Most people who build with steel usually use a variety of existing butted tubes for the main triangle and existing tapered, swaged and formed tubes for the back end. The options in wall thickness, diameter, length, butt profiles and alloys is staggering BUT not much has changed for many years so there's a decent record of what works and what doesn't in many circumstances.

Occasionally there's a game changing technological advancement (disc brakes, suspension and then 29ers with suspension) that makes everyone have to recalibrate tube diameters and wall thicknesses in certain applications but generally there's not much being done from an engineering standpoint in the small shops because they're really not building anything all that unique.

There's not really much failure analysis amongst small builders either, partly because we generally can't afford it, partly because it's usually obvious why a failure occurred by the mode of failure. In seven years of business, I've had two and was able to figure them both out within minutes. Had I not, I have a good friend and customer who designs parts for scanning electron microscopes and other similar equipment who has volunteered to do testing if I need it.

It's not quite the wild west out there.
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:39 PM   #3629
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All these awesome Ti frames and bars. Here's mine from my ride up to the dam this morning. A mass-produced LeMond, but then beggars can't afford to be choosers.

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Old 10-18-2013, 04:00 PM   #3630
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My new ML-7 almost complete..


I don't really like the mate black anodizing, so I may painted in the near future.


Pretty aluminum bolts just for bling.
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