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Old 08-19-2011, 08:47 PM   #856
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there's only about a gazillion steel steeds around

http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/

http://www.2011.handmadebicycleshow.com/
I should have rephrased that. Where did all the $400-$1,500 steel frame mountain bikes go? There isn't a dealer with 100 miles of me that carrys anything like that.

It doesn't matter anyway. I have the perfect bike and will never replace it. That's probably why I don't pay any attention to dealer stock anymore.
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Old 08-19-2011, 09:01 PM   #857
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Nice ride. In '94 i bought a baracuda with the teardrop top tube and all XT. Lots of dough back then. The componontes are lingering around still on various bikes. The richey pedals are still working great after many thousands on miles. My new bike is a yeti with the new XTR, and it isnt as durable. I already broke some crank bros pedals, my dt swiss 240 wheels are noisy and ive gone through a rear derailleur. I never had any problems with the old xt. I think they're right when they say they don't make stuff like they used to......good on ya to keep that bike alive.
Thanks. That Baracuda is a sweet ride as well. I think mine was nearlly $1,700 at the time.

As delivered, mine was equipt with one of two brands: It was either Bontrager or Shimano XT. Nothing else. Since then I've gone through a few seats, some rims, and a mountain of cable and pads but it's still running like a thief. With good maintenace some of this stuff will last forever.

It is a lot of fun though to look down and see the bottom bracket swaying side to side about 1' when pedalling out of the saddle lol! At least I can do 100 miles on it without it killing me like a hardtail AL bike would.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:06 AM   #858
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It is a lot of fun though to look down and see the bottom bracket swaying side to side about 1' when pedalling out of the saddle lol! At least I can do 100 miles on it without it killing me like a hardtail AL bike would.
That's exactly why steel is a metal I cannot use to ride with. At my peak I could flex a bike so bad the rear wheel would rub the chainstays when out-of-the-saddle hammering.

Big as I am, it's aluminum or nothing for me. And has been for a long while. 16 years ago it was because I had 26" thighs. Now it's because I'm a fat bastard.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:45 AM   #859
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:01 PM   #860
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I won't ride aluminum and can't afford Ti. It's sad to see steel bikes becoming so rare these days. People are really missing out on some great rides IMO. Steel is real!
AL is all in how you design the tubes. I've had a couple of very soft-riding AL bikes in my lifetime. One actually rode better than my Bontrager Road Lite! Sold the Road Lite and kept the AL bike.

So, saying 'I won't ride AL' is like saying I won't drive a blue car.

The AL frame I have now is pretty friggen nice considering its sub $200. The one right before it was too AND rode nicer but the seatpost kept slipping and it drove me nuts.

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edited to add: in EUR they think AL is flexy cause they all had Vituses and Alans. Over here we think AL is harsh and stiff cause we had Cannondale and Klein. Go figger
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:16 PM   #861
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AL is all in how you design the tubes. I've had a couple of very soft-riding AL bikes in my lifetime. One actually rode better than my Bontrager Road Lite! Sold the Road Lite and kept the AL bike.

So, saying 'I won't ride AL' is like saying I won't drive a blue car.

The AL frame I have now is pretty friggen nice considering its sub $200. The one right before it was too AND rode nicer but the seatpost kept slipping and it drove me nuts.

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edited to add: in EUR they think AL is flexy cause they all had Vituses and Alans. Over here we think AL is harsh and stiff cause we had Cannondale and Klein. Go figger

And GT. Those Zaskar frames were friggin stout. Sad that 2 of those 3 are now made in China.
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:39 PM   #862
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I won't ride aluminum and can't afford Ti. It's sad to see steel bikes becoming so rare these days. People are really missing out on some great rides IMO. Steel is real!

Have had some good to great steel frames in the last 20 years.

That said, my Ridley aluminum CX frame is excellent.
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:49 PM   #863
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Here I am last week on the city wall in Feng Huang, Hunan Province.

Bike is a CNY model of Dahon called a Dragon D7. I took a folder on this trip so that I would be able to take it on the trains
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:48 AM   #864
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AL is all in how you design the tubes. I've had a couple of very soft-riding AL bikes in my lifetime. One actually rode better than my Bontrager Road Lite! Sold the Road Lite and kept the AL bike.

So, saying 'I won't ride AL' is like saying I won't drive a blue car.

The AL frame I have now is pretty friggen nice considering its sub $200. The one right before it was too AND rode nicer but the seatpost kept slipping and it drove me nuts.

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edited to add: in EUR they think AL is flexy cause they all had Vituses and Alans. Over here we think AL is harsh and stiff cause we had Cannondale and Klein. Go figger
For reals.

Materials matter, but geometry and tube diameter are critical.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:37 AM   #865
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for me, i need to reduce my carbon footprint



(not my bikes - but there's a ton of folks making these one-offs)



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Old 08-21-2011, 06:36 PM   #866
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Old 08-21-2011, 06:53 PM   #867
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Old 08-21-2011, 07:54 PM   #868
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for me, i need to reduce my carbon footprint



(not my bikes - but there's a ton of folks making these one-offs)



all the grace of a flintstone-mobile.


I am sorry, but I have a bone to pick about those bamboo bikes. They have a much larger carbon footprint than any metal bike. The carbon/kevlar that they are made with is not recyclable and will not decompose. That shit is permanent. Those bikes are the opposite of green. The bamboo will break down and the bike will have to be scrapped after a short time compared to all the 30+ year old steel bikes I still see in use and once they are done being used they are 100% recyclable.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:33 PM   #869
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What he said.

When I saw the writeup in Bicycling, I LOL'd my off, because I absolutely know that the carbon fiber and the resin are more dangerous to the environment and people than the steel.
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:42 AM   #870
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I am sorry, but I have a bone to pick about those bamboo bikes. They have a much larger carbon footprint than any metal bike. The carbon/kevlar that they are made with is not recyclable and will not decompose. That shit is permanent. Those bikes are the opposite of green. The bamboo will break down and the bike will have to be scrapped after a short time compared to all the 30+ year old steel bikes I still see in use and once they are done being used they are 100% recyclable.
Same thing with hybrid automobiles and their battery packs versus a plain gasoline/diesel powered vehicle.
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