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Old 04-27-2014, 11:51 PM   #7966
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Here in DFW, they drive their cars like rain = slick-as-ice, so I imagine they'd think it'd be insane on a motorcycle.
I agree. They drive as if

Rain = Ice

Actual Ice = Liquid helium on a glass surface

Note: I'm from the north, so I get to criticize the winter driving of southerners. It's in the rules.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:31 AM   #7967
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You see if it was snow that fell in the south, I would tolerate Carpet Baggers critism, but its ice that is usually frozen on the roads, not snow. There is skill to driving on snow because there is some traction. but for ice the only mitigation is studded tires or chains. Studs are illegal in most states and very few southerners are going to buy chains.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:39 AM   #7968
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You see if it was snow that fell in the south, I would tolerate Carpet Baggers critism, but its ice that is usually frozen on the roads, not snow. There is skill to driving on snow because there is some traction. but for ice the only mitigation is studded tires or chains. Studs are illegal in most states and very few southerners are going to buy chains.
This was one of those rare times when we got several inches of actual snow on the ground but you can hear the sleet hitting the camera housing. It was fun until the 4x4s rutted it out. And to keep it on topic, yes, I did get a lot of questions out riding this night.

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Old 04-28-2014, 07:00 PM   #7969
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I wouldn't say it's a stupid question, but a guy at a gas station was amazed at how my wheel was attached to the bike. When I showed him the other side of the bike, he was then impressed that it didn't have a chain.

I've never actually dealt with anyone being "stupid". If you're unfamiliar with someone's hobby and want to strike up a conversation, you're bound to seem a bit uninformed, that's all it is.

I got that more than a few times too with my BMWs, VFR and Futura (all single-sided swing arms) - very concerned people asking "Are you sure that's strong enough?" - because you know what whimsical carefree guys those BWM engineers are !

I always asked them: "So, how many sides are your car wheels attached on ?"
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:22 AM   #7970
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You see if it was snow that fell in the south, I would tolerate Carpet Baggers critism, but its ice that is usually frozen on the roads, not snow. There is skill to driving on snow because there is some traction. but for ice the only mitigation is studded tires or chains. Studs are illegal in most states and very few southerners are going to buy chains.

Wrong friend. I grew up driving on ice and never afforded studded tires or chains until recently. Judicious application of throttle, brake and steering input. Start to maneuver early. That is all.

Though now that I can afford winter tires and chains I'll never go back, just sayin' that driving skill and good judgement can overcome ice.

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Old 05-02-2014, 07:16 AM   #7971
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Guy at the gym starts telling me about numerous people he "knows" who have died or been injured riding. We start talking about accident stats and I tell him that I like to take training courses, wear gear, etc and that a good portion of riders who die are inexperienced, under the influence and are not wearing helmets so if I don't do those things I'm better off.

He proceeds to tell me that he knew of this girl who actually died from wearing her helmet! Apparently she got lodged underneath a truck head-first and the helmet crushed her skull and the paramedics couldn't pull her out...
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:42 AM   #7972
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Guy at the gym starts telling me about numerous people he "knows" who have died or been injured riding. We start talking about accident stats and I tell him that I like to take training courses, wear gear, etc and that a good portion of riders who die are inexperienced, under the influence and are not wearing helmets so if I don't do those things I'm better off.

He proceeds to tell me that he knew of this girl who actually died from wearing her helmet! Apparently she got lodged underneath a truck head-first and the helmet crushed her skull and the paramedics couldn't pull her out...
I have heard that same story more than once from more than one person, leads me to believe that either this girl had a LOT of friends all over the country, or this is an urban myth... I am leaning towards the latter...

I have also heard a couple of other stories about how somebody's helmet killed them, usually from a rider not wearing a helmet.

Strangely they don't want to hear about all of the helmetless riders who died bouncing their skull off the pavement..
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:16 AM   #7973
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I have heard that same story more than once from more than one person, leads me to believe that either this girl had a LOT of friends all over the country, or this is an urban myth... I am leaning towards the latter...

I have also heard a couple of other stories about how somebody's helmet killed them, usually from a rider not wearing a helmet.

Strangely they don't want to hear about all of the helmetless riders who died bouncing their skull off the pavement..
It is possible to imagine a scenario in which a rider would have survived if he/she hadn't been wearing a helmet. Maybe a case where a rider comes off and the additional bulk of the helmet results in a neck injury? Maybe from hitting an object that, had the rider been helmetless, he/she would have just barely missed?

That said, of course, it's far easier to come up with much more likely scenarios where the helmet will provide protection. It's kind of like the argument against seatbelts. Maybe there is a one in a million chance that you could get into a crash where not wearing a seatbelt (or helmet in our case) would have been better, but for those other 999,999 crashes, I'd rather be wearing the appropriate safety gear.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:35 AM   #7974
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My neighbor rides, said he won't wear a helmet because he can't see or hear as good and he thinks it's more dangerous.

Whatever, he's 65 and has been riding since he was a kid. If he doesn't want to wear one it's his decision.

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Old 05-02-2014, 10:03 AM   #7975
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I have also heard a couple of other stories about how somebody's helmet killed them, usually from a rider not wearing a helmet.

They'll break your neck and pop both your eyes out of their sockets!

Strangely they don't want to hear about all of the helmetless riders who died bouncing their skull off the pavement..
Doesn't matter to them. All they know is, "Motorsycles are dangerous and will kill ya!"
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:10 AM   #7976
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It is possible to imagine a scenario in which a rider would have survived if he/she hadn't been wearing a helmet. Maybe a case where a rider comes off and the additional bulk of the helmet results in a neck injury? Maybe from hitting an object that, had the rider been helmetless, he/she would have just barely missed?

That said, of course, it's far easier to come up with much more likely scenarios where the helmet will provide protection. It's kind of like the argument against seatbelts. Maybe there is a one in a million chance that you could get into a crash where not wearing a seatbelt (or helmet in our case) would have been better, but for those other 999,999 crashes, I'd rather be wearing the appropriate safety gear.
I agree.
I came upon on an accident scene once with a car flipped on it's roof. The gal inside couldn't get her seat belt to release because her weight was holding the release. No, she wasn't over weight. I ran back to my car and grabbed the only thing that would cut...a pair of tin snips. Ran back and cut the belt.
It could have been deadly if the car had caught fire but I'm sure it would have been deadly if she had not been wearing it.

That was one of those rare cases...
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:21 AM   #7977
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I agree.
I came upon on an accident scene once with a car flipped on it's roof. The gal inside couldn't get her seat belt to release because her weight was holding the release. No, she wasn't over weight. I ran back to my car and grabbed the only thing that would cut...a pair of tin snips. Ran back and cut the belt.
It could have been deadly if the car had caught fire but I'm sure it would have been deadly if she had not been wearing it.

That was one of those rare cases...
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:21 AM   #7978
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for ice the only mitigation is studded tires or chains.
First off, I'm a carpet baggin yank and, based on observation, do not believe my arctic bound brethren, as a whole, are particularly skilled at driving in the low friction conditions offered up by our wintery clime. That said, you are mistaken regarding the need for studs or chains. Ice does not result in zero friction and studs are not an absolute necessity. The Michigan Ice Racing Association's most popular classes are rubber to ice (no studs). In fact, although they now run several classes allowing studded tires, MIRA originally only ran two classes (engine over drive wheels and engine not over drive wheels) and studs were not allowed in either.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:41 AM   #7979
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On my way back to Vegas from Death Valley on a rented Tiger 800, I pull into Pahrump for a quick fast food meal. As I'm dismounting this guy in a pickup pulls up next to me and says "Hey, you're bike is too quiet, I didn't see you coming because your bike is too quiet."

Good stuff asshole. Don't bother actually looking out for motorcycle riders, because you expect everyone to have some obnoxious straight pipes.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:53 AM   #7980
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I am in MSF Rider Coach cert school. Friday was the first night of student teaching an actual class. Student told me loud pipes save lives. I normally reply with loud pipes only risk rights, since I was being evaluated, I was nice. I explained to him that sound waves are directional and the only way loud exhaust will be heard in front is to point his exhaust pipes to the front. Other wise they only warn (annoy) those you have already passed.
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