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Old 07-28-2014, 03:36 PM   #1
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Eek Professional Shipper, Trailering My Bike on CENTER STAND.

A bike I purchased is being shipped to me through a UShip shipper.

I noticed on the photo he sent me that the bike was tied down and on the center stand.

I have always NOT used a center stand as I have been told by my vintage friends (pun intended) that this is a NO NO, as to frame damage.

Bikes should allow the suspension to do it's job when trailering.

Below is the response I got back from the shipper.

I assume he thinks he is more likely to get in trouble with customers over fork seals leaking than them noticing center stand frame tabs bent?

Can anyone point me to some Manufacturer guidelines about trailering recommending NOT using a center stand that I can provide for this company?

On the other hand, if I am completely wrong about this, please educate me.


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"Hi Timothy ,yes central stand is down but my best friend is owner of Harley Davidson dealership and 2 years ago I have conversation with him about this .he tell me to bike with metal(not aluminum) frame and kick stand is better to use this stand bcs constant pressure on fork can cose damage on them and metal frame and stand can't be damaged .i haul exactly 428 bikes in last 2 year and I never have any problem and I never damage any bike.If you prefer to I bring bike to its not on stand I will do this but pls be aware if fork stark to leak and have any damage I will not be responsible .I hear many opinion and I think to this is right how I strap but if you want to I strap him in your way I will do this for you.Thanks"

Side note: None of the Harley's I have ever owned had center stands...
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Old 07-28-2014, 03:47 PM   #2
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Is this shipper from Nigeria?
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:12 PM   #3
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Is this shipper from Nigeria?
I was thinking the same thing, I kept waiting for winning the lottery.

I don't see a huge issue with shipping on the center stand, it is designed to take the weight of the bike; as long as he does not strap it down do tight that it bends the frame on both sides of the stand....
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:14 PM   #4
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I would let the forks do their job...
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:24 PM   #5
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"Hi Timothy ,yes central stand is down but my best friend is owner of Harley Davidson dealership and 2 years ago I have conversation with him about this .he tell me to bike with metal(not aluminum) frame and kick stand is better to use this stand bcs constant pressure on fork can cose damage on them and metal frame and stand can't be damaged .i haul exactly 428 bikes in last 2 year and I never have any problem and I never damage any bike.If you prefer to I bring bike to its not on stand I will do this but pls be aware if fork stark to leak and have any damage I will not be responsible .I hear many opinion and I think to this is right how I strap but if you want to I strap him in your way I will do this for you.Thanks"

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1. This person is an adult in possession of a driver's license ? I weep for our nation.

2. Is aluminum NOT metal ?

3. Constant pressure on the forks is detrimental ? Like when it's on its' wheels and gravity is in effect ?

4. Please provide photo of any Harley Davidson on a center stand.

5. Please return to your elementary school and ask for your money back.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:07 PM   #6
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side stand cant be damaged? Hope he doesnt haul a lot of Ducatis....
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:21 PM   #7
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Personally I don't haul on the center stand but I can't see it being a huge issue. I prefer to let the suspension do it's thing, but I really don't see it being damaging unless he was ratcheting down on all 4 corners to the point of a strap breaking.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:20 PM   #8
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Personally I don't haul on the center stand but I can't see it being a huge issue. I prefer to let the suspension do it's thing, but I really don't see it being damaging unless he was ratcheting down on all 4 corners to the point of a strap breaking.

I agree 100%.

If he had it strapped down on the side stand I would be concerned but not the center stand.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:25 PM   #9
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Why do you need more evidence, the shipper told you he'd ship it how you want and that he won't be responsible for leaky seals
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:31 PM   #10
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I'm not quite picturing this. When on the centerstand, isn't the front wheel on the ground and forks will compressed anyway?
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:36 PM   #11
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Why do you need more evidence, the shipper told you he'd ship it how you want and that he won't be responsible for leaky seals
If he has never chocked down a motorcycle before I don't want him learning with mine. If he as 200+ deliveries that were ok, I am going to gamble that my best bet is to let him do what he is used to.



However, as stated in my originating post, for all of my motorcycling life (30 years) this (trailer on center stand) has been recommended against.

So the evidence I am looking for is some real documentation or other evidence that he is correct and I am wrong, vise versa or nil.

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Old 07-28-2014, 06:39 PM   #12
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I'm not quite picturing this. When on the centerstand, isn't the front wheel on the ground and forks will compressed anyway?
Most bikes will rest on the rear wheels on the center stand.

So there should be SOME suspension at play but I know many bikes (vespas and lambrettas come to mind) that simply sitting on the bike on the center stand will eventually cause damage. Some vintage BMWs are notorious for having weak centerstand frame tangs.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:41 PM   #13
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:43 PM   #14
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If he has never chocked down a motorcycle before I don't want him learning with mine. If he as 200+ deliveries that were ok, I am going to gamble that my best bet is to let him do what he is used to.



However, as stated in my originating post, for all of my motorcycling life (30 years) this (trailer on center stand) has been recommended against.

So the evidence I am looking for is some real documentation or other evidence that he is correct and I am wrong, vise versa or nil.

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Gotcha, you want to make sure you're right before assuming liability. Good call.
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:53 PM   #15
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Most bikes will rest on the rear wheels on the center stand.

So there should be SOME suspension at play but I know many bikes (vespas and lambrettas come to mind) that simply sitting on the bike on the center stand will eventually cause damage. Some vintage BMWs are notorious for having weak centerstand frame tangs.
I don't have a statistically valid sample, but no bike I've owned tended to be tail down when on the center stand. They all rested with he front wheel down and the rear wheel in the air.
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