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Old 05-24-2011, 05:07 PM   #1486
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I believe that passing someone on a double yellow (Where acceleration and straight line speed exceed those that the safe passing distance was designed for) is not the same as needing to cross the double yellow because you do not have the necessary skills to go around a corner and maintain your lane
The question wasn't about needing to, it was about deciding to, just like deciding to pass on a double yellow, or going above the speed limit. A decision made when the sight lines, and situation says it's safe.

It's OK for Mr. Moving Pictures to do it when he feels it's prudent, and apparently you feel the same as well, but if someone else should decide to break a law why

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Old 05-24-2011, 08:45 PM   #1487
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Boon Booni: "The question wasn't about needing to, it was about deciding to, just like deciding to pass on a double yellow, or going above the speed limit. A decision made when the sight lines, and situation says it's safe."

The problem with this is that "when its safe" is easily misjudged. My closest miss last year was some asshat on a sportbike who went hot into a blind corner and ended up deep in my lane. I started wide so I was able to miss him, but not by a lot. If the sight line is truly safe and you have no affect on anyone else, I really dont care if you are over the line. I dont agree with this philosophy on principle because I dont think most riders are that great a judge of what is safe and more importantly what is not going to endanger someone else. Of coarse I am willing to cross the center to avoid hazards or to pass but I am willing to wait to execute a clear, safe pass even if it temporarily slows me down a little.
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Old 05-24-2011, 08:49 PM   #1488
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Of coarse I am willing to cross the center to avoid hazards or to pass but I am willing to wait to execute a clear, safe pass even if it temporarily slows me down a little.
I certainly hope so.

Reasonable and Prudent is the name of the game.
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:01 PM   #1489
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This thread is now changing to a debate on car tires? Don't knock it till you have tried it!
And how many come from the factory like that?
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Old 05-24-2011, 09:51 PM   #1490
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Running a flat surfaced car tire on a vehicle that leans to turn goes against any and all logic and is JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!

But hey… It’s a free country do as you wish… Just don’t lie about how great it is because it is NOT great for or anything except longer tire life.
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Old 05-25-2011, 03:56 AM   #1491
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The question wasn't about needing to, it was about deciding to, just like deciding to pass on a double yellow, or going above the speed limit. A decision made when the sight lines, and situation says it's safe.It's OK for Mr. Moving Pictures to do it when he feels it's prudent, and apparently you feel the same as well, but if someone else should decide to break a law why Double standards are fun.
No Double Standard here. Tell me when it is necessary to cross the double solid line? I have done it to pass other vehicles like yesterday when a tractor and manure spreader was traveling on the main highway, leaving S%$t all over the road and doing 15 mph in a 55 zone. I know the road and also know I could "PASS" and be back in my lane without interfering with any other traffic.

Now if you are traveling and there is no other vehicles why would you need to cross the double solid Line? You are crossing in a CORNER, when there is NO Other traffic (According to you) So whats the Need? If someone crosses the double yellow in a corner with no other reason than they "WANT" to that tells me they DO NOT have the skills necessary to make the corner and that also tells me they are not a very good rider.

No Double standard. Your bike it maybe 30" wide, your lane is 12' wide, and you are telling me you cannot make a corner in your lane. If the fun of riding is the corners, hence the draw of the dragon and other such roads, whats the purpose of making the corners straight by crossing the lines?
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:36 AM   #1492
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Three wheelers may feel safe and easy to ride in the dealers lot, problem is when a new rider finally discovers they actually require more skill and knowledge to ride than a two wheeler, it may be to late.

I wonder how many people buy a three wheeler with the thought that they are easier to ride than a two wheeler. Accidents waiting to happen. Combine that with the fact that many of them are home made and the thought is truly frightening.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:57 AM   #1493
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Why go to a curvy road and try to straighten the corners? Go to the race track if that's how you want to drive.

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Old 05-25-2011, 08:10 AM   #1494
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No Double Standard here. Tell me when it is necessary to cross the double solid line? I have done it to pass other vehicles like yesterday when a tractor and manure spreader was traveling on the main highway, leaving S%$t all over the road and doing 15 mph in a 55 zone. I know the road and also know I could "PASS" and be back in my lane without interfering with any other traffic.

Now if you are traveling and there is no other vehicles why would you need to cross the double solid Line? You are crossing in a CORNER, when there is NO Other traffic (According to you) So whats the Need? If someone crosses the double yellow in a corner with no other reason than they "WANT" to that tells me they DO NOT have the skills necessary to make the corner and that also tells me they are not a very good rider.

No Double standard. Your bike it maybe 30" wide, your lane is 12' wide, and you are telling me you cannot make a corner in your lane. If the fun of riding is the corners, hence the draw of the dragon and other such roads, whats the purpose of making the corners straight by crossing the lines?
I don't think anybody has said it better than this. Sometimes it is perfectly reasonable.

Doing it as habit to "maintain pace", or even worse, expecting others to help them do it................................................ ........................
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:13 AM   #1495
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No Double Standard here. Tell me when it is necessary to cross the double solid line? I have done it to pass other vehicles..
You have done it to pass other vehicles that were going the at or near legal speed limit as well. Where was the need? Where was the need to speed, or the need to pass a vehicle going at or just below the legal speed limit?

You don't "need" to speed, nor do you "need" to pass other vehicles on a double yellow that are going at or just below the legal speed limit.

Tell me when it is necessary to do this?

You do it because you want to go faster than the speed limit, and you do it because you don't want to wait for a passing zone that probably doesn't exist. You do it because you feel secure in your abilities to look far enough ahead to see and react to oncoming traffic and road hazards that passing into the other lane and speeding would present as dangers.

I will apex in the oncoming lane when I want to and the sight lines allow me to feel secure in my ability to see far enough ahead that road hazards and oncoming traffic are not an immediate threat. I will also pass on the double yellow and speed, because I want to and just like you I trust my ability to handle those situations.

If you feel like it is over your abilities to look ahead, read the road and hazards and anticipate, please stop riding and buy a Kia.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:23 AM   #1496
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Why does a baseball player not run in perfectly sraight lines when running the bases, because by going a little wider he gets a better angle at the apex to get to the next base . Its faster ,its smoother and easier on the body also. Same principle, different scenario on a bike. I wouldn't make a habit of doing it but to hear some of the vitriol being spewed by the PERFECT RIDERS on here is humorous when they know damn well they've done it also.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:26 AM   #1497
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If you feel like it is over your abilities to look ahead, read the road and hazards and anticipate, please stop riding and buy a Kia.
Which Kia?




















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Old 05-25-2011, 10:21 AM   #1498
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Why does a baseball player not run in perfectly sraight lines when running the bases, because by going a little wider he gets a better angle at the apex to get to the next base . Its faster ,its smoother and easier on the body also. Same principle, different scenario on a bike. I wouldn't make a habit of doing it but to hear some of the vitriol being spewed by the PERFECT RIDERS on here is humorous when they know damn well they've done it also.
What you said is perfectly logical, on a racetrack or closed course. On the street, that's unacceptable.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:37 AM   #1499
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Get real man .Its a fact that people do it including YOU. To sit on your high horse andpreach down on others is hogwash. In a perfect world everybody would be expert riders ,drivers etc... and you could be our divine leader. In this world shit happens and you better be prepared for it.Once again I'm not condoning the practice and strive to not do it myself but it happens.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:39 AM   #1500
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You have done it to pass other vehicles that were going the at or near legal speed limit as well.
Have we met? Have we ridden together? then please do not presume to know what I do or do not do unless I specifically make a statement or you see me ride, either on or off the race track.

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I will apex in the oncoming lane when I want to and the sight lines allow me to feel secure in my ability to see far enough ahead that road hazards and oncoming traffic are not an immediate threat.
I stand behind what I said, if there is no oncoming traffic, no traffic ahead and your lane is clear WHY leave your lane, unless your skills do not allow you to maintain it?


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If you feel like it is over your abilities to look ahead, read the road and hazards and anticipate, please stop riding and buy a Kia.
Yes, which Kia, please let me know what I should be driving. I OWN more bikes than you most likely ever have.
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