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[Josephvman]

The one thing I might give you here is that the truck may have used questionable judgement by waiting until he was fairly close to the bike before passing him on the left, but how can you argue that the car passing the truck on the right didn't contribute much to the outcome if the situation wouldn't have happened at all if the car hadn't passed the truck on the right? The bottom line is that if the car wasn't traveling well beyond the rate of traffic and attempted to pass the truck on the right, this would have never happened. Driving in europe one isn't supposed to be in the left lane unless passing, and it's perfectly acceptable behavior to wait until you're right on the slower traffic before passing on the left. There's no point in having a passing lane if people are going to drive in it a half-mile before they need to pass slower traffic.

Originally Posted by kerhonky

Can't really say I agree with this opinion. The fact that the car was passing on the right didn't really contribute all that much to the outcome IMHO. It had more to do with the fact that when the truck moved left, the car didn't have enough time to see what was on the right because he decided to continue at the same rate of speed instead of slowing down to find out what the truck might have been obscuring. Same thing could have happened if the lane positions were reversed.

Not saying passing on the right is OK, but I don't think this is an example of why it's not OK. It's more an example of why driving a lot faster (car) or slower (motorcycle) than the flow of traffic, and making quick lane changes (truck and car) are bad ideas. As with a lot of crashes, there isn't just one party at fault.

[JimVonBaden]

Exactly! WTF did the car driver think the truck was changing lanes for?

Jim

[DiabloADV]

Originally Posted by Shoganai

80 - 120 - 150 - 220 then 320.
Tomorrow - Wood Bleach.
Next stain followed by Spar high gloss - wet 400 - Spar high gloss - wet 400 - Spar high gloss - wet 600 - Spar high gloss.

Or...skip all that and go with boiled tung oil.

[Mr_Gone]

Originally Posted by shovelstrokeed

I don't mind passing or being passed in a corner. If I'm the slower guy (quite frequently the case), raise left arm, go to the fog line on lefts or hug the center on right, back off a bit more and let the faster guys on by. Invariably, they know what I'm doing and I get a nice little wave or foot as a thanks. If I'm faster, I expect but don't demand the same. I'll find a way around. Piss me off and you get stuffed on the entrance of a later corner. If they are slow, I can usually out brake them and pass inside or go around the outside, I really don't care.

+1

I get passed by faster riders about as often as I pass slower riders. It's about 50-50 with me. And I do the same thing when being passed: slow down, move to the far right, give 'em a wave around me when I think it's safe. I usually get a wave for thanks.

As far as passing slower riders, I don't expect anything from the guy/gal in front of me. I'll choose my time and spot and go around. No assistance necessary.

[D R]

Originally Posted by txwanderer

One problem. What are the line distances in the country they are driving in? They ain't in Kansas, there Toto.

Well then Dorthy, find the appropriate measurement for the applicable location, substitute it for the 40 foot distance and recompute..... .....or do I have to do all the math around here?

[klaviator]

[Beto]

Originally Posted by hooliken

been studying the dewey decimal system. I hear it's making a comeback.

poi?

[dwoodward]

Originally Posted by JimVonBaden

Exactly! WTF did the car driver think the truck was changing lanes for?

I love the look on the guy's face after the fact.

[CATGS]

[QUOTE=gmk999;19388351]

Originally Posted by Agent3012

Are those copper cowbells that both of them have hanging underneath their panniers?


OK, I'll ask again.. Why not just lower the exhaust and have a full size pannier?

Because, it looks gay..

[Truckin_Thumper]

Originally Posted by Josephvman

Perfect example of why passing on the right is so dangerous. Lack of understanding of lane usage is probably the biggest threat, besides cell phones, we have as riders. As much as I would like to see higher speed limits here in the states, it would really be a disaster overall. The only reason it works in europe is because they understand lane usage and they have real driver training and they take vehicle inspections seriously.

While I agree Euro-pee-ons have better vehicle operation methods, no way in hell Houstonians will adopt it, nor any fucking place in the states. Let all the dipshits ride in the wrong lanes. I make better time in the right lane from Conroe to MSR Houston

[Albie]

Originally Posted by Truckin_Thumper

While I agree Euro-pee-ons have better vehicle operation methods, no way in hell Houstonians will adopt it, nor any fucking place in the states. Let all the dipshits ride in the wrong lanes. I make better time in the right lane from Conroe to MSR Houston

Yup, in TX, if you don't pass on the right, you'll never fucking get anywhere.

[Tuna Helper]

Originally Posted by shovelstrokeed

I don't mind passing or being passed in a corner. If I'm the slower guy (quite frequently the case), raise left arm, go to the fog line on lefts or hug the center on right, back off a bit more and let the faster guys on by. Invariably, they know what I'm doing and I get a nice little wave or foot as a thanks. If I'm faster, I expect but don't demand the same. I'll find a way around. Piss me off and you get stuffed on the entrance of a later corner. If they are slow, I can usually out brake them and pass inside or go around the outside, I really don't care.

I passed some motards stopped at the lookout. A couple miles down the road I can hear them coming up behind me. There was no way I was going to outrun them, so I pulled over and let them by. I'm sure they appreciated it, I wish more would do the same.

[boxermoose]

Originally Posted by Truckin_Thumper

While I agree Euro-pee-ons have better vehicle operation methods, no way in hell Houstonians will adopt it, nor any fucking place in the states. Let all the dipshits ride in the wrong lanes. I make better time in the right lane from Conroe to MSR Houston

Yup in Houston th eleft lane is the designated landscaper and cellphone talkin' lane

[The_Commander]

Claimed another life today. 25yo Marine. Pitched his KTM over the mountain.

[100mpg]

Originally Posted by D R

Given that on-line videos are not normally highly calibrated scientific instruments, there is a margin of error on my estimation, but 75 mph is a good ballpark figure. While we don't know what the posted speed limit may have been, the car was definately faster than the other traffic.

so, that is not crazy, might be 5 or 10 over or not at all. see?

I am not excusing that driving, just saying it seems like there were a meeting of 4 riders/drivers that created the perfect storm of bad situations. might have to do with the universe... glad no one was hurt.