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Old 10-01-2012, 12:31 PM   #16711
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OK, Hijack over.

Thanks for all the input. Good to know I'm not crazy.
In all fairness, you ride a motorcycle, so you may not be the best judge of sanity, yours or anyone else's.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:04 PM   #16712
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In all fairness, you ride a motorcycle, so you may not be the best judge of sanity, yours or anyone else's.
Well, I also jump out of airplanes, and I married a redhead.

I'm destined for the psych ward.....


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Old 10-01-2012, 01:09 PM   #16713
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He's pointing out the apex to his passenger.

...Orygunner...
I'm amused everyone ASSumes HE is showing HER something. Especially you- I'm sure you've had a certain blonde or two give you pointers.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:32 PM   #16714
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I'm amused everyone ASSumes HE is showing HER something. Especially you- I'm sure you've had a certain blonde or two give you pointers.
The gear (baby blue sleeves with stars) and visible hair does seem to suggest a "him and her" pair -- or do you mean she may be coaching from the back?
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:37 PM   #16715
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And Who rides the Dragon during Summer months anymore, anyway? Other than Squids???

All I can think of is massive # of crashes, LEO, cagers, 18 Wheelers, etc.

While it is beautiful area (Yes I've ridden it - 12 yrs ago in Nov.)

America is a Big Beautiful country there's is many places to ride, but I guess U need that - "I Rode The Dragon" sticker

"Stickers?" We don't need no stinkin' stickers.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:18 PM   #16716
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Ah, the Off Season.

Not motorbike related, but off-season at the Dragon-related:



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Old 10-01-2012, 04:15 PM   #16717
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-- or do you mean she may be coaching from the back?
a/k/a "Topping from the bottom", in Kink terms.....
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:24 PM   #16718
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Folks are just going to have to accept that some of us have better fingers.
Tried using index finger on hydraulic clutch on my old '88 ZX10 Ninja. I could get the lever all the way back, but only with my finger way out at the ball end. NFG in close to the pivot point where that finger would be while riding.

I can see covering the front brake with one finger, but I'll keep using all 4 on the clutch.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:27 PM   #16719
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a/k/a "Topping from the bottom", in Kink terms.....
And your safeword is..?
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:59 PM   #16720
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they are not *correcting" you.

they are preaching the MSF dogma to you...some of them probably have some idea of why, some probably do not (other than "that's what the book says").

it's probably a good way to teach newbies how to ride a bike and not accidentally apply the throttle and front brake at the same time, etc.

but it is not the "correct" (or incorrect) way of doing things.

i can give you lots of reasons why an *experienced* rider should only use 1 or 2 fingers on the clutch and brake. i cannot give you any reasons why an *experienced* rider should use all 4 (unless, of course, riding a bike with such shitty front brakes or such a hard clutch pull that you need all 4--er actually 3 since the pinky doesn't add anything--to muster the required force)...though someone else might be able to.

at any rate, the point is...just because the MSF tells you "do it this way" does not mean that is the best way to do it. insisting that people do not cover the brake and clutch...and then use all 4 fingers when it comes time to use the brake or clutch...is just one of a few things them MSF probably gets right for newbies, but not for experienced riders.

Well, you have half the story right. most don't understand "why" it should be that way. However there is a reason, actually a couple of them.
First and not most important, if you use your first two fingers you could run into interference by hitting the two on the grip. Causing an incomplete clutch throw, or worse on the brake handle and lose some of the braking ability.
Second and more important, is body mechanics. This is what is difficult to explain, but easy to demonstrate. The ring and pinky fingers are built for strength and stability, and it doesn't stop at the grip The pointer and middle finger are used for more complex actions such as writing, and have much smaller muscle and tendon structure for the complexity of movement. It is also much easier to demonstrate the body's stability in person, but your body is much more stable when clenching the ring and pinky into a fist. Short story, it is all about balance and strength.
I agree there may not be a "right or wrong" way but there are better and not so much better ways.

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Old 10-01-2012, 07:11 PM   #16721
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My solution...
And I milled some serrations on the front for a bit more grip. A lot easier to bang down a couple gears or clutch the front up without losing grip on the bars ...

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Old 10-01-2012, 08:27 PM   #16722
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They all say, "This is what's best for beginners. Once you've got practice and more experience under your belt, there are other ways to do things, we encourage you to get advanced rider training to improve your skills."
Come to Oregon... although we're not MSF.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:32 PM   #16723
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[Kleigh]
Dost thou also get thy panties in a twist.
[/Kleigh]
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:46 PM   #16724
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New Killbiy album up (mostly Landscapery) with some motorbike pics:

What a great shot! and great form too

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Old 10-01-2012, 08:52 PM   #16725
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Take my former Tuono Factory out on the road and grab 4 fingers of front brake. Go ahead, I dare ya.
You'll either find yourself with a locked front wheel, not fun but recoverable, or upside down with the bike on top of you and your head facing back from whence you came. Can you say mouse trap?
Can you say learn not to GRAB the brakes?
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