Killboy failure Dragon Fest - Page 1158

Aussijussi · 10-19-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Harris

If you only ride to the Tavern on weekends for posing and socializing or every couple of months on Poker Runs, and trailer you bike to Deals Gap, how can you get proficient? At that point, you've still got training wheels on.

--Bill

+1 and then some

Geoff · 10-19-2012, 10:32 AM

Damn shame the rider wasn't more foused. Hope he's okay.

daveinva · 10-19-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry

Here is what I believe catches folks out. They practice (IF they practice) for riding. Most guys want to ride roughly the speed limit, know how to shift, brake, turn, for normal, everyday, ride the speed limit riding.

The guys that crash at 20mph, and the sport bike assholes, do NOT practice for "OH SHIT, I need to brake HARD". Or "Oh shit, I need to brake HARD and then TURN very sharply". Nor do they practice this at the speeds that dumb luck toss it out at you. So people who only practice riding in a nice straight line, within the speed limit, ONLY know how to ride that way.

If you don't practice panic/threshold braking from various speeds, and extremely aggressive bike handling/maneuvering at various speeds, you have zippy frame of reference when life happens. Is what it is. Practice, or don't.

Barry

Totally agree... but that video isn't about panic/threshold braking or extremely aggressive bike handling. It's navigating a gentle curve at less than 20 mph on a sunny day! I guarantee that guy's made sharper turns in *the Cracker Barrel parking lot.*

Maybe it was just a brain fart; we all get them from time to time. But somehow I suspect that this is a case of the charitable explanation is *too* charitable. The mind, it boggles.

speednut · 10-19-2012, 10:45 AM

That scares me.

Barry · 10-19-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by daveinva

Totally agree... but that video isn't about panic/threshold braking or extremely aggressive bike handling. It's navigating a gentle curve at less than 20 mph on a sunny day! I guarantee that guy's made sharper turns in *the Cracker Barrel parking lot.*

Maybe it was just a brain fart; we all get them from time to time. But somehow I suspect that this is a case of the charitable explanation is *too* charitable. The mind, it boggles.

I believe it applies in that he was turning right, became distracted AND/OR drug hard parts, and had to QUICKLY refocus and redirect the bike. None of which he ever practiced, is my guess.

Barry

GSequoia · 10-19-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry

I believe it applies in that he was turning right, became distracted AND/OR drug hard parts, and had to QUICKLY refocus and redirect the bike. None of which he ever practiced, is my guess.

Barry

They're going positive steer speed there. I hate it when a pirate (or minivan, same thing) goes slow enough to make me need to do that and I'm not even a fast rider.

Disco Stu · 10-19-2012, 10:49 AM

that's why i'll never go through the dragon on the weekend. too many people out there that could take you out with their idiocy.

Barry · 10-19-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GSequoia

They're going positive steer speed there. I hate it when a pirate (or minivan, same thing) goes slow enough to make me need to do that and I'm not even a fast rider.

Holy Christ... I reach counter-steering speed in my goddamned DRIVEWAY.

Retro · 10-19-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wrecked'em

i think he targeted the vett. why did he stand the bike up instead of staying turned?

My guess is that he didn't counter-steer, but instead tried to jerk the bars to the right, thus making the bike stand up rather than turn more sharply.

NoAL_RedRider · 10-19-2012, 11:10 AM

"Now the how? Not trying monday morning quarterback this guy, but as the sign on the tree of shame sez, learn from his pain.

My theory

1. Hamming for the camera, he's not looking where he is going and how fast he is getting there, totally not set up for the curve."

My thoughts, exactly, from photo #1 on. Also, low-riding & loaded bike = not much lean room when you need it in the twisties.
And as one who has felt the pavement & been laid up for a few months as a result... I also hope the biker is OK. Thankfully, he had some safety gear on!

Aussijussi · 10-19-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by daveinva

How is this even possible?

How can one leave the road like that going that slow if they have even the basic skills of operating a motorcycle? Like, somebody who knows enough to get a motorcycle *to* the Gap yet doesn't know enough to navigate a turn at that speed? I just don't understand how that works... MIND. BLOWN.

There can't be much of a riding test to get a licence, where ever these 'road block's' came from. Why go for a ride on a twisty road with lot of traffic, when they should stay on an empty parking lot. Looks like a large portion of these rider's are getting a motorcycle, because it's cool, and all their mate's have one, never mind the fact that you can't ride faster than 30mph without going off the road

Bill Harris · 10-19-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry

Holy Christ... I reach counter-steering speed in my goddamned DRIVEWAY.

Yeah... my long gravel drive has a couple of rutted areas where the best speed is right at the steer-countersteer transition. I'm still a little cautious on those streteches...

--Bill

STUFF2C · 10-19-2012, 12:06 PM

Read on the local riders (Jeff) thread, and I wish him well, that the guy that hit the Vette, only hurt his wrist and forearm.

Barry · 10-19-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by STUFF2C

Read on the local riders (Jeff) thread, and I wish him well, that the guy that hit the Vette, only hurt his wrist and forearm.

The dude that hit the FLUID had the laundry list of injuries ???? See, proof there is no God. The Vettestriker should have got fucked up, not some random dude.

Barry

DAKEZ · 10-19-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Harris

Yeah... my long gravel drive has a couple of rutted areas where the best speed is right at the steer-countersteer transition. I'm still a little cautious on those streteches...

--Bill

You mean that ever so fine line between stopped and moving?

10-19-2012, 10:32 AM	#17357
Geoff Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2002 Location: Illinois Oddometer: 119	Damn shame the rider wasn't more foused. Hope he's okay. __________________ 2009 BMW K1200LT 2002 Harley Sportster XL1200C

10-19-2012, 12:06 PM	#17368
STUFF2C We Ain't Left Yet!! Joined: Aug 2004 Location: O-lando Oddometer: 1,181	Read on the local riders (Jeff) thread, and I wish him well, that the guy that hit the Vette, only hurt his wrist and forearm. __________________ Thanks to the Interstate Highway System, it is now possible to travel from coast to coast without seeing anything. -- Charles Kuralt I never plan a ride, just the destination and that's always subject to change.

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10-19-2012, 10:45 AM	#17359
speednut Adventurer Joined: Nov 2007 Oddometer: 76	That scares me.

10-19-2012, 10:49 AM	#17362
Disco Stu I'm Barry F'n Gibb!! Joined: Oct 2006 Location: The Center of my Own Universe Oddometer: 4,594	that's why i'll never go through the dragon on the weekend. too many people out there that could take you out with their idiocy.

10-19-2012, 11:10 AM	#17365
NoAL_RedRider Adventurer Joined: Feb 2007 Location: North Central Alabama - for now Oddometer: 23	"Now the how? Not trying monday morning quarterback this guy, but as the sign on the tree of shame sez, learn from his pain. My theory 1. Hamming for the camera, he's not looking where he is going and how fast he is getting there, totally not set up for the curve." My thoughts, exactly, from photo #1 on. Also, low-riding & loaded bike = not much lean room when you need it in the twisties. And as one who has felt the pavement & been laid up for a few months as a result... I also hope the biker is OK. Thankfully, he had some safety gear on!