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Old 10-19-2012, 08:50 PM   #17386
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Can't say how many times I see folks cruzing down the road with only one hand holding the bars, "mostly on sport bikes but a few times on crusers."

I'm thinking that is where the problem started. One little bump, groove, dip or slip in the road can turn into trouble real quick.

I hope the guy is OK, I also hope he has good insurance.

Monday morning QB this one all you want, I will remember these photos any time I am tempted to take one hand off the bars...
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:28 PM   #17387
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I thought in most states the tow truck operators were required to clean that stuff up..?
I don't know about other states or even the rest of NY but here we either stick around til the wreck is taken away (making sure the tow truck guys help us clean up) or get called back before the road opens by the PD for a "flush" which means we either blast it with water or do a regular cleanup (discretion of the company officer). We carry brooms, scoops and dry sweep on every rig and have a large stockpile of it (dry sweep/kitty litter) in our Haz Mat unit's HQ.
I understand it is rural there and the road needs to be open, but the road is known as a biker road and from pics here the cops obviously ride too.... But I am probably looking at it from a fireman who rides point of view and judging by some officers I have worked under it shouldn't surprise me that it wasn't cleaned properly. We even call for salt truck runs on streets after wintertime fires (ice from hoses) and my city is on the verge of bankruptcy. If I were the 2nd injured rider's family I would be talking to a lawyer and I'm not a fan of lawyers unless it's to buy or sell a house.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:49 PM   #17388
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And 98% of them could have been or should have been avoided BY THE RIDER!


I don't care if you've been riding the world over for 3 lifetimes. That's a noob mindset.

You've got 16,000+ posts I'm pretty sure half of which are trolling.

So I digress, and will let you troll remark back and I'll move on with my life
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:08 PM   #17389
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Imagine that, the ATGATT rider wearing a FF gets fucked and the guy that hit the Vette wearing a 3/4 helmet only minor injuries.

Of course this is ancedotal but a small slice of why some of us "pirates" don't subscribe to ATGATT. Go down slowly usually lot less injuries, go down at high speed usually more injuries. Pirates not ride so fast, sporties, often ride fast.


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Old 10-19-2012, 11:36 PM   #17390
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A small few choose to hide in their houses afraid of eveything, a smal few are huge risk takers like the guy who parachuted and broke the sound barrier.
You will notice that dude who parachuted was not wearing just shorts and flip flops.




How about we start a ATRGMTT movement? All The Reasonable Gear Most The Time.

How many ATTGATT nazis wear a Dianese Air Bag Vest? Do they wear Leatt Neck Braces? Asterisk knee braces? Wrist braces? Cup and jock strap?
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:38 AM   #17391
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Atgatt prophets piss me off. Let e're'body ride their own ride. If you were REALLY that concerned with your safety, you'd never ride a motorcycle in traffic. It's all risky.

I agree,to each his own...if ya have a 10$ head wear a 10$ helmet!
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Old 10-20-2012, 05:51 AM   #17392
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Same with idiots on 120hp bikes with no skill.
Agreed! Saw a herd of sportbikers in leather vests all duck-walking through a major intersection. Most of them were bunny hopping their Hayabusa's around the turn as well. Scares the crap outta me when I see that. Much rather see them on mopeds....those sportbikes aren't that forgiving of poor skills. If you are that scared stay on flat straight roads near your house......your driveway!!!
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:30 AM   #17393
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A small few choose to hide in their houses afraid of eveything, a smal few are huge risk takers like the guy who parachuted and broke the sound barrier.
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You will notice that dude who parachuted was not wearing just shorts and flip flops.







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Old 10-20-2012, 08:21 AM   #17394
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Can't say how many times I see folks cruzing down the road with only one hand holding the bars, "mostly on sport bikes but a few times on crusers."

I'm thinking that is where the problem started. One little bump, groove, dip or slip in the road can turn into trouble real quick.

I hope the guy is OK, I also hope he has good insurance.

Monday morning QB this one all you want, I will remember these photos any time I am tempted to take one hand off the bars...
Try not taking your hand off the bar from time to time on a 800 mile day. Jes sayin'.

Cheers,

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Old 10-20-2012, 08:23 AM   #17395
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Try not taking your hand off the bar from time to time on a 800 mile day. Jes sayin'.

Cheers,

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I would doubt that he would never find that out. Probably not even half that!

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Old 10-20-2012, 08:39 AM   #17396
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I don't care if you've been riding the world over for 3 lifetimes. That's a noob mindset.
No, that is the mindset of someone that rides every day in all weather conditions.

I will repeat it just to make you laugh some more. 98% of motorcycle accidents could have been or should have been avoided by the rider.

Pay attention
Don't ride impaired. (tired, drunk,drugs, anger....)
Take it seriously and actually learn to ride and control your bike.
Wear Gear that keeps you comfortable for the given weather so you can maintain focus to the task at hand. (protection should be the secondary consideration in gear selection)
Keep your bike in good running order. (tires, brakes, final drive...)

Do these things and the "risk" is about 2% and that 2% includes the deer strikes, mechanical failure, and road contaminates.

To sum it up. Learn to ride and that LA traffic would be more fun than frightening.
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:51 AM   #17397
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Pay attention
Don't ride impaired. (tired, drunk,drugs, anger....)
Take it seriously and actually learn to ride and control your bike.
Wear Gear that keeps you comfortable for the given weather so you can maintain focus to the task at hand. (protection should be the secondary consideration in gear selection)
Keep your bike in good running order. (tires, brakes, final drive...)
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:07 AM   #17398
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No, that is the mindset of someone that rides every day in all weather conditions.

I will repeat it just to make you laugh some more. 98% of motorcycle accidents could have been or should have been avoided by the rider.

Pay attention
Don't ride impaired. (tired, drunk,drugs, anger....)
Take it seriously and actually learn to ride and control your bike.
Wear Gear that keeps you comfortable for the given weather so you can maintain focus to the task at hand. (protection should be the secondary consideration in gear selection)
Keep your bike in good running order. (tires, brakes, final drive...)

Do these things and the "risk" is about 2% and that 2% includes the deer strikes, mechanical failure, and road contaminates.

To sum it up. Learn to ride and that LA traffic would be more fun than frightening.
+1, I also think this mindset is helpful in terms of rider longevity.
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:25 AM   #17399
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Do these things and the "risk" is about 2% and that 2% includes the deer strikes, mechanical failure, and road contaminates.

To sum it up. Learn to ride and that LA traffic would be more fun than frightening.
Right up until this part, it was a good post. The risk on the road always includes other drivers. Always. Some of them are stupid, some of them are actually trying to hurt you. It's happened to me, and several people I know. There was a death here not long ago where a car blew a red light and blasted right into the side of a motorcycle who was doing it all right.

The naive concept that heavy traffic is not risky is nooby. It CAN be fun, sure. But it is ALWAYS risky.
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:36 AM   #17400
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No, that is the mindset of someone that rides every day in all weather conditions.

I will repeat it just to make you laugh some more. 98% of motorcycle accidents could have been or should have been avoided by the rider.

Pay attention
Don't ride impaired. (tired, drunk,drugs, anger....)
Take it seriously and actually learn to ride and control your bike.
Wear Gear that keeps you comfortable for the given weather so you can maintain focus to the task at hand. (protection should be the secondary consideration in gear selection)
Keep your bike in good running order. (tires, brakes, final drive...)

Do these things and the "risk" is about 2% and that 2% includes the deer strikes, mechanical failure, and road contaminates.

To sum it up. Learn to ride and that LA traffic would be more fun than frightening.
Good list and good mind set.
Might I add,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Don't hang out in drivers blind spots,
Don't tailgate (you really CAN"T handle it or you wouldn't be there to start with),
Always leave yourself an out,
Look where you WANT to go, not where you want to avoid,
And just to say it again, Learn To Ride. One year of experience 20 times doesn't make 20 years of experience.

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