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Old 10-20-2012, 09:56 AM   #17401
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Right up until this part, it was a good post. The risk on the road always includes other drivers. Always. Some of them are stupid, some of them are actually trying to hurt you. It's happened to me, and several people I know. There was a death here not long ago where a car blew a red light and blasted right into the side of a motorcycle who was doing it all right.

The naive concept that heavy traffic is not risky is nooby. It CAN be fun, sure. But it is ALWAYS risky.
items 1 and 3 address the problem of other drivers.
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:04 AM   #17402
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Right up until this part, it was a good post. The risk on the road always includes other drivers. Always. Some of them are stupid, some of them are actually trying to hurt you. It's happened to me, and several people I know. There was a death here not long ago where a car blew a red light and blasted right into the side of a motorcycle who was doing it all right.

The naive concept that heavy traffic is not risky is nooby. It CAN be fun, sure. But it is ALWAYS risky.
This. I ride 60 miles each way daily in heavy LA traffic. Usually 15 miles (sometimes more) of lane splitting on the way home. I've had the typical SMIDSY stuff, and I've had a few actually trying to kill me. Had one a-hole in a mercedes sideswipe me and attempt to push me into a panel van. Contrary to expectation, the majority of drivers are trying to give you room and be courteous... but even though I enjoy the commute (riding in traffic is a fun thing, sometimes) I don't think for a second that it's not risky.

Concur with the rest of Dakez post, though.

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Old 10-20-2012, 10:09 AM   #17403
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Right up until this part, it was a good post. The risk on the road always includes other drivers. Always. Some of them are stupid, some of them are actually trying to hurt you. It's happened to me, and several people I know. There was a death here not long ago where a car blew a red light and blasted right into the side of a motorcycle who was doing it all right, except for not watching for someone running the red light.

The naive concept that heavy traffic is not risky is nooby. It CAN be fun, sure. But it is ALWAYS risky.
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:18 AM   #17404
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items 1 and 3 address the problem of other drivers.
Pay attention, and learn to ride and control your bike. You really think that mitigates the risk of other drivers? Whatever. Again, you're a troll, stupid, or never ride in traffic.





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See above. Are you trolling or stupid?
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:24 AM   #17405
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few more things:

don't follow behind or beside big rigs, those tires blow and you're done

don't follow behind mow & blow crews; shit falls off their trucks

avoid that guy with the boat/PWC trailer heading home at 6pm; most of them let their trailers wag and there's a good chance he's had a few

avoid the do it yourself rental moving vans, most people can't keep them in the lines

don't follow trucks carrying gravel or rocks
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:33 AM   #17406
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There was a death here not long ago where a car blew a red light and blasted right into the side of a motorcycle who was doing it all right.
If the rider was trusting another road user to obey a traffic control device, the rider was NOT "doing it all right"

I managed to avoided two Red Light Runners and three STOP sign runners.

As a rider you MUST take responsibility for ALL road users. You can be DEAD "right" and end up DEAD.

Re-read my post you quoted again. Take note of the part that said: "Pay Attention"
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:33 AM   #17407
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few more things:

don't follow behind or beside big rigs, those tires blow and you're done

don't follow behind mow & blow crews; shit falls off their trucks

avoid that guy with the boat/PWC trailer heading home at 6pm; most of them let their trailers wag and there's a good chance he's had a few

avoid the do it yourself rental moving vans, most people can't keep them in the lines

don't follow trucks carrying gravel or rocks
All great advice.
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:37 AM   #17408
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And just to say it again, Learn To Ride. One year of experience 20 times doesn't make 20 years of experience.

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If you are not getting it then seek professional help. (pay for some training... Read MORE books...) It is your life!

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Old 10-20-2012, 10:47 AM   #17409
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If the rider was trusting another road user to obey a traffic control device, the rider was NOT "doing it all right"

I managed to avoided two Red Light Runners and three STOP sign runners.

As a rider you MUST take responsibility for ALL road users. You can be DEAD "right" and end up DEAD.

Re-read my post you quoted again. Take note of the part that said: "Pay Attention"
Hey, how come he didn't call you a troll?
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:54 AM   #17410
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Watch out fo rthe bears

Rolled through the gap for the first time Friday lovely area, wonderful roads everywhere you turn. Bear hunters were out in force. I had a very disconcerting moment rolling past a bunch of bear hunters standing with their guns ready on the right side of the road, watching for a bear to pop out of the woods on the left side of the road.

Perhaps I need to add some kevlar body armor to my ATG!
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:26 AM   #17411
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Hey, how come he didn't call you a troll?
I missed his post.

Seriously, pay all the attention in the world, you can still end up flattened. Does it make y'all feel good to pretend that if you just pay enough attention, you'll never get hit?

That is the surest sign of naivety.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:28 AM   #17412
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Rolled through the gap for the first time Friday lovely area, wonderful roads everywhere you turn. Bear hunters were out in force. I had a very disconcerting moment rolling past a bunch of bear hunters standing with their guns ready on the right side of the road, watching for a bear to pop out of the woods on the left side of the road.

Perhaps I need to add some kevlar body armor to my ATG!
Shooting across a public road, that can't be legal, even in TN.
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:37 AM   #17413
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I missed his post.

Seriously, pay all the attention in the world, you can still end up flattened. Does it make y'all feel good to pretend that if you just pay enough attention, you'll never get hit?

That is the surest sign of naivety.
I would like to know what type of bike/riding you do? I've ridden through the greater DC area, 270, 495, Pennsylvania Ave., and I don't know of too many locals that really beat those roads for traffic (yes, even LA and San Diego) and intelligence impaired drivers. Close calls? Yup, but by paying attention, leaving as much room as the other road users would allow me, I mitigated the chance for the close call to become a call for an ambulance.

The number "98%" may be high, but not by much. Very few real "accidents" happen. One or the other driver could have done something along the line that would have negated the collision.

Troll? Hardly, I've disagreed with some of his posts, but this series is hardly a troll. Now, ask him about Harley's, and you're on your own......
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:42 AM   #17414
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Pay attention, and learn to ride and control your bike. You really think that mitigates the risk of other drivers? Whatever. Again, you're a troll, stupid, or never ride in traffic.






See above. Are you trolling or stupid?
So you say I guy that got killed riding front of a red light runner was “doing everything right”. I say he was not. Then you say I’m stupid? Hmmmmmmmm…..ok. You just keep doing “everything right” and you won’t be calling anybody stupid. BTW why call someone stupid just because they disagree with you?
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Old 10-20-2012, 11:52 AM   #17415
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I would like to know what type of bike/riding you do? I've ridden through the greater DC area, 270, 495, Pennsylvania Ave., and I don't know of too many locals that really beat those roads for traffic (yes, even LA and San Diego) and intelligence impaired drivers. Close calls? Yup, but by paying attention, leaving as much room as the other road users would allow me, I mitigated the chance for the close call to become a call for an ambulance.

The number "98%" may be high, but not by much. Very few real "accidents" happen. One or the other driver could have done something along the line that would have negated the collision.

Troll? Hardly, I've disagreed with some of his posts, but this series is hardly a troll. Now, ask him about Harley's, and you're on your own......
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So you say I guy that got killed riding front of a red light runner was “doing everything right”. I say he was not. Then you say I’m stupid? Hmmmmmmmm…..ok. You just keep doing “everything right” and you won’t be calling anybody stupid. BTW why call someone stupid just because they disagree with you?
No, people are not stupid for disagreeing with me. They are stupid for thinking they can blame all accidents on just not knowing "how to ride". I'm in agreement as far as being a skilled and attentive rider is VERY important.

Where we disagree is the idiotic assertion that there aren't circumstances where none of that matters, and the rider just ends up dead. If you ride in heavy traffic, and don't think that's inherently dangerous, that also makes you an idiot.

Not that dangerous things aren't fun, but you have to recognize the danger or you're begging for trouble.
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