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[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by goodcat8

They must have if you think riding from point A to point B here or anywhere doesn't carry inherent risk.

What you call "risk" I call "smile inducement"


Polite drivers scare me.

[quint7]

I came across the Vette/Triumph crash on the Victory site I belong to. Blame there is of course placed by many on the cameraman etc. So I just posted up all of the info from here regarding the crash, the nitwit Triumph guy and his lack of severe injuries and the damage done to a local rider from the fluids. I also included the video of the ditched HD save. Anything to educate some of the guys there as more and more are extolling the benefits of car tires, raked triple trees, 26.... yes 26 inch front tires.
I'm hoping I get slammed over there so it can be game on.
I also made a point of saying that as a fireman I'm disgusted that fluids were left on the road at all. I understand wanting the road open but c'mon. Kitty litter and manpower..... both are cheap.

[unit74]

Ouch..... dude was so focused on looking cool he forget there was a turn.

[GI_JO_NATHAN]

Originally Posted by quint7

I also made a point of saying that as a fireman I'm disgusted that fluids were left on the road at all. I understand wanting the road open but c'mon. Kitty litter and manpower..... both are cheap.

I thought in most states the tow truck operators were required to clean that stuff up..?

[farmerstu]

QUOTE=DAKEZ;19855348]You mean that ever so fine line between stopped and moving? [/QUOTE]
good one. i thought the counter steering thead had put on end to the direct steering thinkers.(still say deer are the worst thou

[UnsureFooting]

Originally Posted by DAKEZ

What you can "risk" I call smile inducement.


Polite drivers scare me.

1) trolling?
2) rural?
3) dumb?

I don't know, but it's got to be one of those... I mean, there's an average of one motorcycle death a week where I am.

[Ohio_Danimal]

Originally Posted by Barry

Here is what I believe catches folks out. They practice (IF they practice) for riding. Most guys want to ride roughly the speed limit, know how to shift, brake, turn, for normal, everyday, ride the speed limit riding.

The guys that crash at 20mph, and the sport bike assholes, do NOT practice for "OH SHIT, I need to brake HARD". Or "Oh shit, I need to brake HARD and then TURN very sharply". Nor do they practice this at the speeds that dumb luck toss it out at you. So people who only practice riding in a nice straight line, within the speed limit, ONLY know how to ride that way.

If you don't practice panic/threshold braking from various speeds, and extremely aggressive bike handling/maneuvering at various speeds, you have zippy frame of reference when life happens. Is what it is. Practice, or don't.

Barry

Jesus this is well written and insightful.

Sums it up so well. And yet is the last thing those it concerns think about

[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by farmerstu

good one. i thought the counter steering thead had put on end to the direct steering thinkers.(still say deer are the worst thou

Deer (and other large four legged mammals) are truly my only real fear while riding.

[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by UnsureFooting

1) trolling?
2) rural?
3) dumb?

I don't know, but it's got to be one of those... I mean, there's an average of one motorcycle death a week where I am.

And 98% of them could have been or should have been avoided BY THE RIDER!

[blk-betty]

Originally Posted by UnsureFooting

Atgatt prophets piss me off. Let e're'body ride their own ride. If you were REALLY that concerned with your safety, you'd never ride a motorcycle in traffic. It's all risky.

Exactly.

Life is nothing but a set of choices but none of us get out alive and there are no guarentees that we will live to 20, 30, 40, 50, or older. Just saw a 24 year old in my office that will be dead in less than 30 days from metastic colon cancer....a 24 yo for fuk sake!

A small few choose to hide in their houses afraid of eveything, a smal few are huge risk takers like the guy who parachuted and broke the sound barrier. The rest of us are somewhere in between.

Those that don't ride think we're fools while those who do ride think those that ride non-ATGATT are idiots.

Make your own choices, live your own life.

Fwiw, I always wear a helmet and some sort of gear but rarely 100% ATGATT.

[PonyExpres]

Can't say how many times I see folks cruzing down the road with only one hand holding the bars, "mostly on sport bikes but a few times on crusers."

I'm thinking that is where the problem started. One little bump, groove, dip or slip in the road can turn into trouble real quick.

I hope the guy is OK, I also hope he has good insurance.

Monday morning QB this one all you want, I will remember these photos any time I am tempted to take one hand off the bars...

[quint7]

Originally Posted by GI_JO_NATHAN

I thought in most states the tow truck operators were required to clean that stuff up..?

I don't know about other states or even the rest of NY but here we either stick around til the wreck is taken away (making sure the tow truck guys help us clean up) or get called back before the road opens by the PD for a "flush" which means we either blast it with water or do a regular cleanup (discretion of the company officer). We carry brooms, scoops and dry sweep on every rig and have a large stockpile of it (dry sweep/kitty litter) in our Haz Mat unit's HQ.
I understand it is rural there and the road needs to be open, but the road is known as a biker road and from pics here the cops obviously ride too.... But I am probably looking at it from a fireman who rides point of view and judging by some officers I have worked under it shouldn't surprise me that it wasn't cleaned properly. We even call for salt truck runs on streets after wintertime fires (ice from hoses) and my city is on the verge of bankruptcy. If I were the 2nd injured rider's family I would be talking to a lawyer and I'm not a fan of lawyers unless it's to buy or sell a house.

[goodcat8]

Originally Posted by DAKEZ

And 98% of them could have been or should have been avoided BY THE RIDER!

I don't care if you've been riding the world over for 3 lifetimes. That's a noob mindset.

You've got 16,000+ posts I'm pretty sure half of which are trolling.

So I digress, and will let you troll remark back and I'll move on with my life

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by blk-betty

Imagine that, the ATGATT rider wearing a FF gets fucked and the guy that hit the Vette wearing a 3/4 helmet only minor injuries.

Of course this is ancedotal but a small slice of why some of us "pirates" don't subscribe to ATGATT. Go down slowly usually lot less injuries, go down at high speed usually more injuries. Pirates not ride so fast, sporties, often ride fast.

Jim

[GoGo Gadget]

Originally Posted by blk-betty

A small few choose to hide in their houses afraid of eveything, a smal few are huge risk takers like the guy who parachuted and broke the sound barrier.

You will notice that dude who parachuted was not wearing just shorts and flip flops.




How about we start a ATRGMTT movement? All The Reasonable Gear Most The Time.

How many ATTGATT nazis wear a Dianese Air Bag Vest? Do they wear Leatt Neck Braces? Asterisk knee braces? Wrist braces? Cup and jock strap?