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Old 01-11-2013, 03:18 PM   #18706
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i just learned how to use the ignore feature. goodby 100mpg and your inane quotes!
What exactly did he say that got you all butthurt?
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:17 PM   #18707
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I looked it up. Guy pictured there in the G35 is said to be named Ben Davidson. Internet says he tried to steal a bike at Deal's Gap. Got detained by the owner. Police came. Guy was let go with something about "because he didn't start it, we can't prove he was trying to steal it."

Lots of people bitching about him getting off.

A few people looked him up, called his dad, made Facebook pages, notified his school.

No real follow up since 2010 that I saw.

http://www.easttnriders.com/forum/sh...=35542&page=63 - post 936 starts it off
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:47 PM   #18708
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I was wondering about the backstory on Shog's picture a couple of pages back.

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I looked it up. Guy pictured there in the G35 is said to be named Ben Davidson. Internet says he tried to steal a bike at Deal's Gap. Got detained by the owner. Police came. Guy was let go with something about "because he didn't start it, we can't prove he was trying to steal it."...
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Long story short, he admitted to the officer that he was stealing my bike and after about 2 hours he was on his way to jail cuffed and stuffed !!!
Evidently his daddy got a lawyer to loophole him ouff the charge. His name is MUD, though.

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Old 01-12-2013, 01:04 AM   #18709
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I'm wondering why the little bastard didn't get a proper beat down.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:03 AM   #18710
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i just learned how to use the ignore feature. goodby 100mpg and your inane quotes!

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What exactly did he say that got you all butthurt?


Maybe he is confusing my inane sig file quotes with my stellar topic replies?
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:08 AM   #18711
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I looked it up. Guy pictured there in the G35 is said to be named Ben Davidson. Internet says he tried to steal a bike at Deal's Gap. Got detained by the owner. Police came. Guy was let go with something about "because he didn't start it, we can't prove he was trying to steal it."

Lots of people bitching about him getting off.

A few people looked him up, called his dad, made Facebook pages, notified his school.

No real follow up since 2010 that I saw.

http://www.easttnriders.com/forum/sh...=35542&page=63 - post 936 starts it off
I looked it up also, hard to believe the guy was WEARING the stolen gear and was not arrested. If it was my gear and bike, I would have asked him WTF he was doing by running full speed at him and tackling him. It might not be the best way, but...
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:11 AM   #18712
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i just learned how to use the ignore feature. goodby 100mpg and your inane quotes!
thanks for the newest sig file. bah, it dont fit with all my other inane sig's. oh well.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:14 AM   #18713
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I looked it up also, hard to believe the guy was WEARING the stolen gear and was not arrested...
One thing I've decided: honesty is generally a good thing, but when dealing with miscreants it's best to lie. Just a little. Now that we know that stealing a HAS to involve starting the engine, include that detail. Be sure to include other relevant details "to the best of your recollection". And if all else fails, remember it's a criminal justice system which favors the criminal and not the victim, so bypass it. I some counties, the guy would have simply... disappeared. (Just kidding on that last, getting carried away).

SAD situation.

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:47 AM   #18714
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What exactly did he say that got you all butthurt?
I think he said "Don't you know" Speaking with real words can be an irritant to some from Mini-soda.



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Old 01-12-2013, 07:46 AM   #18715
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I think he said "Don't you know" Speaking with real words can be an irritant to some from Mini-soda.



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Old 01-12-2013, 08:43 AM   #18716
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One thing I've decided: honesty is generally a good thing, but when dealing with miscreants it's best to lie. Just a little. Now that we know that stealing a HAS to involve starting the engine, include that detail. Be sure to include other relevant details "to the best of your recollection". And if all else fails, remember it's a criminal justice system which favors the criminal and not the victim, so bypass it. I some counties, the guy would have simply... disappeared. (Just kidding on that last, getting carried away).

SAD situation.

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Down here, castle doctrine extends to your vehicle, wonder if that extends to two wheels...
Also, you can prevent a felony with deadly force if you choose.

Either way, I'm armed 95% of the time...
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:08 AM   #18717
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Down here, castle doctrine extends to your vehicle, wonder if that extends to two wheels...
The Castle Doctrine in PA does extend to motorcycles the way the laws are written (as always, open to the court's interpretation). The firearms laws as far as carrying says that if you are "on" a motorcycle, you are considered to be "in" a vehicle (the same goes for a horse or bicycle, basically any conveyance of travel). It's generally thought that the Castle Doctrine extends to these conveyances as well.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:19 AM   #18718
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Down here, castle doctrine extends to your vehicle, wonder if that extends to two wheels...
Also, you can prevent a felony with deadly force if you choose.

Either way, I'm armed 95% of the time...
Well, since we're off topic any way:

First, I'm armed a large percentage of the time too, but this was NOT a situation to pull a gun. And just because you're right doesn't mean you're not in for a huge hastle....

For example, when I was the Deputy Staff Judge Advocate for the Military District of Washington the following situation arose. Female SP4 who lived in Maryland was separated from her Marine Cpl husband. He was stationed at Quantico. He was on restriction to the Base because he had beaten her - a few times. He gets off base, and climbs to the third floor balcony of her apartment. Breaks in with the help of the bayonet he is carrying. She yells at him to get out (while pointing her 5 shot .357 revolver at him), he being a Marine (sorry had to get SOME little jab at the Marines in), tries to rush her. She shoots him. 5 times. Whereupon he dies. She calls 911. The idiot police arrest her. She spends the night in jail and is "returned to military custody" whereupon I order her to go home, chill, come in to work in the morning - or take some leave as she sees fit.

Prince William County prosecutor calls me and asks what we are going to do with her. I allow as how we are going to do nothing, seems like open and shut self defense to me.

He says "But she shot him 5 times!"

I said, "She only had five rounds in the gun."

He was not amused, took it to a Grand Jury! I could not believe it. Anyway after lots more hassle and heartache for her, the Grand Jury refused to return a true bill. But damn!
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:05 AM   #18719
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Well, since we're off topic any way:

First, I'm armed a large percentage of the time too, but this was NOT a situation to pull a gun. And just because you're right doesn't mean you're not in for a huge hastle....

For example, when I was the Deputy Staff Judge Advocate for the Military District of Washington the following situation arose. Female SP4 who lived in Maryland was separated from her Marine Cpl husband. He was stationed at Quantico. He was on restriction to the Base because he had beaten her - a few times. He gets off base, and climbs to the third floor balcony of her apartment. Breaks in with the help of the bayonet he is carrying. She yells at him to get out (while pointing her 5 shot .357 revolver at him), he being a Marine (sorry had to get SOME little jab at the Marines in), tries to rush her. She shoots him. 5 times. Whereupon he dies. She calls 911. The idiot police arrest her. She spends the night in jail and is "returned to military custody" whereupon I order her to go home, chill, come in to work in the morning - or take some leave as she sees fit.

Prince William County prosecutor calls me and asks what we are going to do with her. I allow as how we are going to do nothing, seems like open and shut self defense to me.

He says "But she shot him 5 times!"

I said, "She only had five rounds in the gun."

He was not amused, took it to a Grand Jury! I could not believe it. Anyway after lots more hassle and heartache for her, the Grand Jury refused to return a true bill. But damn!
And you expected something different from a lib Maryland prosecutor?

Up here in MI, the shooter has, by law, an affirmative defense. Burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that the shooter WASN'T in fear of his life or serious injury. Justifiable shooters also have civil immunity from lawsuits.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:52 PM   #18720
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Well, since we're off topic any way:

First, I'm armed a large percentage of the time too, but this was NOT a situation to pull a gun. And just because you're right doesn't mean you're not in for a huge hastle....

For example, when I was the Deputy Staff Judge Advocate for the Military District of Washington the following situation arose. Female SP4 who lived in Maryland was separated from her Marine Cpl husband. He was stationed at Quantico. He was on restriction to the Base because he had beaten her - a few times. He gets off base, and climbs to the third floor balcony of her apartment. Breaks in with the help of the bayonet he is carrying. She yells at him to get out (while pointing her 5 shot .357 revolver at him), he being a Marine (sorry had to get SOME little jab at the Marines in), tries to rush her. She shoots him. 5 times. Whereupon he dies. She calls 911. The idiot police arrest her. She spends the night in jail and is "returned to military custody" whereupon I order her to go home, chill, come in to work in the morning - or take some leave as she sees fit.

Prince William County prosecutor calls me and asks what we are going to do with her. I allow as how we are going to do nothing, seems like open and shut self defense to me.

He says "But she shot him 5 times!"

I said, "She only had five rounds in the gun."

He was not amused, took it to a Grand Jury! I could not believe it. Anyway after lots more hassle and heartache for her, the Grand Jury refused to return a true bill. But damn!
Damn... and she was supposed to do what to the guy that climbed a building with a bayonet to confront her? Talk the bayonet out of his hand? Prosecutors and legislators need to walk in someone's shoes before deciding what is or is not prudent in a given situation. I view most prosecutors and politicians as hypocritical dullards who have a myopic view of the very large world we live in.

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