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Old 06-16-2011, 06:49 PM   #1876
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you my friend, are smoking pot.
You live in TN so I assume you have ridden that stretch of road.

I have but I confess only on a couple of those ill-handling, poor braking, no clearance Harleys.

At the posted speed limit I would have no problem avoiding any of the those trucks posted in those videos, nor would the vast majority of riders on that road.

You right, speed has nothing to do with the trucks driving LOC, but it had everything to do with trucks potentially killing motorcyclists as you contend.

Honestly, the road is not that dangerous and if you believe it is you should probably stay away.
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:00 PM   #1877
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At the posted speed limit I would have no problem avoiding any of the those trucks posted in those videos, nor would the vast majority of riders on that road.
YOU would have no problem avoiding the truck, but there have been cases of bikes stopped for a truck, only to have the truck pinch them in a corner before they could back peddle fast enough to get out of the way.
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Old 06-16-2011, 09:54 PM   #1878
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any person wanting to place a business up there orta have his ass removed...

And I'm sure there is a government stipend or grant available somewhere to have it relocated...
If some recreational group decided your area was a good place to play and wanted to kick your home and business out how would you feel?

Don't you think the people who live there should make that decision?
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Old 06-17-2011, 04:28 AM   #1879
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You live in TN so I assume you have ridden that stretch of road.

I have but I confess only on a couple of those ill-handling, poor braking, no clearance Harleys.

At the posted speed limit I would have no problem avoiding any of the those trucks posted in those videos, nor would the vast majority of riders on that road.

You right, speed has nothing to do with the trucks driving LOC, but it had everything to do with trucks potentially killing motorcyclists as you contend.

Honestly, the road is not that dangerous and if you believe it is you should probably stay away.
The "road" may not be that dangerous, but some the riders certainly are. See those skid marks off my left right hand? The Dragon is full of them. (there are some looooong ones on the Cherohala....)


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Old 06-17-2011, 05:33 AM   #1880
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The "road" may not be that dangerous, but some of the riders certainly are.
I think this sums it up pretty well.

Riders without the requisite experience and riders going too fast.
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Old 06-17-2011, 05:46 AM   #1881
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So instead of the sign reading "Road closed to trucks", it should read "Road closed to unsafe motorcyclists"















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Old 06-17-2011, 06:01 AM   #1882
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Old 06-17-2011, 06:08 AM   #1883
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It doesn't have to be the Dragon to encounter big trucks over the centerline on backcountry roads--I see it all the time around here. Just last night I came over a rise a bit over the 55 mph limit and someone was backing a tree-trimming truck and trailer across the road, completely blocking both lanes and hanging off either side of the pavement, and in a spot where they were invisible from a distance. I was able to stop in time, but for a moment I was eyeing the lack of shoulder and wondering about the possibility of hitting the ditch at speed. When riding backcountry two-lane anywhere you've got to ride with some safety margin.
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Old 06-17-2011, 06:12 AM   #1884
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I think this sums it up pretty well.

Riders without the requisite experience and riders going too fast.

Does that rational apply to 4 wheelers as well?

Come on man, woman, whatever... Your arguments sound a little one sided and biased...


What, you ride a Harley and specialize in riding under the speed limit and heckling other riders that do it?

And btw, ever seen vids of riders getting rear ended?

So we should all ride at the speed limit and stop instantly (b/c we're at the speed limit after all) when anything looks dangerous ahead?

So, shift the blame FROM a truck being LOC, to a 4wheeler that rear ended a rider? Is that how it works?

B/c it's riders over the speed limit, playing, that get involved in the majority of crashes?
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:00 PM   #1885
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Does that rational apply to 4 wheelers as well?

Come on man, woman, whatever... Your arguments sound a little one sided and biased...


What, you ride a Harley and specialize in riding under the speed limit and heckling other riders that do it?

And btw, ever seen vids of riders getting rear ended?

So we should all ride at the speed limit and stop instantly (b/c we're at the speed limit after all) when anything looks dangerous ahead?

So, shift the blame FROM a truck being LOC, to a 4wheeler that rear ended a rider? Is that how it works?

B/c it's riders over the speed limit, playing, that get involved in the majority of crashes?
If you're over the speed limit and can't stop in time, then you're just as at fault as the truck/car/whatever that's over the line. I do believe we all have a legal obligation to ride within the limitations as dictated by current conditions.

It's a public road.

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Old 06-17-2011, 03:06 PM   #1886
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Does that rational apply to 4 wheelers as well?

Come on man, woman, whatever... Your arguments sound a little one sided and biased...


What, you ride a Harley and specialize in riding under the speed limit and heckling other riders that do it?

And btw, ever seen vids of riders getting rear ended?

So we should all ride at the speed limit and stop instantly (b/c we're at the speed limit after all) when anything looks dangerous ahead?

So, shift the blame FROM a truck being LOC, to a 4wheeler that rear ended a rider? Is that how it works?

B/c it's riders over the speed limit, playing, that get involved in the majority of crashes?
My arguments aren't one side or biased.

I said if a truck or other vehicle was left of center line AND the motorcyclist was speeding when an accident occurred, both parties have liability.

Is it 50/50? Don't know but that's for the courts to decide.

If it's Ok for you to speed, why is not Ok for others to encroach upon your lane? Both are illegal.

Sorry, I'm not one of those that ride under the speed limit. Sparks are a flying when I ride the Dragon and my immaturity has resulted in several double yellow line passes in excess of the posted limit of both bikes and cars on the twisties.

I know it's wrong, I know it's stupid, and I know I probably have pissed off a lot of riders/drivers. As I age, I'm finding it easier to control my "need for speed".

The thing about an HD is that the adage: "it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow" really holds true.

But I'm not naive enough to think that if I was in an accident while speeding or not abiding other laws, that I would not be negligent just because the other motorist was also in the wrong.

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Old 06-17-2011, 05:42 PM   #1887
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If I exceed the speed limit on the Dragon, I am not automatically a hazard the other users of the road. A semi can NOT safely traverse the Dragon. That is why they should be banned from using US 129 for through traffic. There are lots of roads that already have such a ban, and 129 need to be added to that list.
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Old 06-17-2011, 06:47 PM   #1888
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I won't argue if trucks should or shouldn't be banned. I believe they shouldn't use that route but occasionally they do, right or wrong, and riders need to be aware of potential hazards.

My foray into this discussion was in response to another member stating that trucks are potentially killing motorcyclists.

I contend if the bike is traveling the speed limit, which is 30 mph on that streatch of road, the rider should be able to stop if he encounters a truck or any other vehicle/obstacle LOC.

30 mph....a quick review indicates motorcycle braking distance at 30 mph to be about 33 feet: http://www.motorvike.com/BrakingDistance.htm

Sure that road is curvy with "blind" corners but sightlines are well in excess of 30 feet, even in the corners. Factoring in reaction time and extending braking distance to 50 feet still leaves enough distance to avoid running into a truck that is LOC...if one is moving at the posted limit.

At higher speed, stopping distance increases. You play, you pay.
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:07 PM   #1889
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Perhaps target fixation on the Corvette?
Can't say I'm surprised... wonder what wax the driver uses.
That's an amazing shot, the whole contrast thing going on
with the Chevy and the socks.


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Old 06-17-2011, 08:19 PM   #1890
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Perhaps target fixation on the Corvette?
Can't say I'm surprised... wonder what wax the driver uses.
That's an amazing shot, the whole contrast thing going on
with the Chevy and the socks.


Sorry mates, noob lurker catching up on threads.
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When I see a pic of a bike crossing the yellow in a full lean, I'm saying something like this to myself:

"OK, this guy underestimated the curve or overestimated his skills or something like that...it wasn't a smart move to begin with but at least he tried to make it"

But when I see the same line crosser in an almost upright position...I'm like...WTF?! Go sell this bike right now!"
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