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Old 04-25-2013, 07:24 AM   #20491
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Seems like he saw the yellow barrels, target fixated on them and ran into the guard rail.
there was also some crap on the roadway......look like a spill of some sort..
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:39 AM   #20492
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there was also some crap on the roadway......look like a spill of some sort..
clearly he had to lay 'er down... if only that guardrail hadn't prevented that.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:31 AM   #20493
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Start around 6:40
And end before 7:00.

He was over his head and fixated on the barrells. Game over.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:03 AM   #20494
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I am going to be a bit more generous in this instance. For riding a none sport bike he was doing a nice job of body position. Not hanging off but clearly getting his butt and torso over and for the most part his shoulders as well. Some earlier shots showed him nicely to the inside of the center line of the bike with upper arm extended and inside arm tucked.. In those series of curves they were becoming more like sweepers and the pace was increasing. I think he simply pushed too hard, ran out of ground clearance was on that arc of, things are scrapping and I can't turn more and that arc carried him off the road.

Corrections could have been done before the commitment to that line in the curve. Perhaps revs high enough that a simple roll off would have better controlled speed at entry and allow corrections easy enogh Once there perhaps he might have really hung off to get more turn effect without more lean, maybe also a bit of throttle to raise front a bit to gain a bit more lean, but once he was really at that late point in the trajectory I think he really didn't have many choices. If a bit earlier perhaps rolling off the throttle would have caused lost of clearance but if done early enough he would have scrubbed off enough speed to make his arc a decreasing one and maybe stay inside the white line.

To his fail
Just a little bit earlier as the pace was increasing I noticed he was running a bit wider on exits than he had when things were a bit slower. In this turn not a bad set up line but seems like ran wide of a normal line about the entire time with an apex in his arc a bit early even if he never came down close to the DYL. The guide rail here was perhaps a bit friendlier than a grill of a Buick had it been a right hander.

OK.. feet up here, glass of water on desk, leaning back.. my Thursday look back at someone else's fail. What did I learn?

Ride the pace I can ride, follow my lines, look through curve, better to late apex than early. Plan to exit mid lane to give myself some leeway. If I have been failing on those things, my pace is over the abilities I bring to bear.

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Old 04-25-2013, 09:09 AM   #20495
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he was all crossed up in every turn. He did do a decent job compensating for it.

I really think he hit some slick shit, topped with beginner riding position, and pushing a POS too hard for his skill level.

Conclusion:

FAIL!

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Old 04-25-2013, 12:22 PM   #20496
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Oh, and I will say this... it is HARD not to look at the photographers. Especially Killboy. Coming from the NC side, you come up on Killboy real quick out of a turn, and you need to be setting up quickly for a right hand turn. I can see how someone could spend too long looking at Killboy and fuck up that right hand turn.
Not always. The last time I rode through there (2009) I didn't even notice Killboy and didn't realize they'd taken a pic until I got home and looked it up. (And my pic probably came out better because if it.)
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:19 PM   #20497
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Looks like a waste of ten minutes of my time.

+1

The first thing I thought was a 10+ minute video for THAT?

It looked to me like he was going too fast through the turn trying to keep up with the bikes in front.

Plus, he had poor lines, as did the camera man.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:30 PM   #20498
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Yeah, maybe he was looking at the orange barrels instead of looking ahead at his necessary line. He starts to straighten before the turn ends. He just quits turning. He could have made it if he'd just continued turning.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:39 PM   #20499
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I am going to be a bit more generous in this instance. For riding a none sport bike he was doing a nice job of body position. Not hanging off but clearly getting his butt and torso over and for the most part his shoulders as well. Some earlier shots showed him nicely to the inside of the center line of the bike with upper arm extended and inside arm tucked.. In those series of curves they were becoming more like sweepers and the pace was increasing. I think he simply pushed too hard, ran out of ground clearance was on that arc of, things are scrapping and I can't turn more and that arc carried him off the road.

Corrections could have been done before the commitment to that line in the curve. Perhaps revs high enough that a simple roll off would have better controlled speed at entry and allow corrections easy enogh Once there perhaps he might have really hung off to get more turn effect without more lean, maybe also a bit of throttle to raise front a bit to gain a bit more lean, but once he was really at that late point in the trajectory I think he really didn't have many choices. If a bit earlier perhaps rolling off the throttle would have caused lost of clearance but if done early enough he would have scrubbed off enough speed to make his arc a decreasing one and maybe stay inside the white line.

To his fail
Just a little bit earlier as the pace was increasing I noticed he was running a bit wider on exits than he had when things were a bit slower. In this turn not a bad set up line but seems like ran wide of a normal line about the entire time with an apex in his arc a bit early even if he never came down close to the DYL. The guide rail here was perhaps a bit friendlier than a grill of a Buick had it been a right hander.

OK.. feet up here, glass of water on desk, leaning back.. my Thursday look back at someone else's fail. What did I learn?

Ride the pace I can ride, follow my lines, look through curve, better to late apex than early. Plan to exit mid lane to give myself some leeway. If I have been failing on those things, my pace is over the abilities I bring to bear.

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Old 04-26-2013, 01:16 AM   #20500
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Appears he did not want to lean the bike OR ran out of room to lean further. Also appears an early apex to a shallow but decreasing radius turn caught him out. That's what I saw, but I only watched it twice, and I'm sleepy.

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Old 04-26-2013, 04:24 AM   #20501
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Ok, dual car tires on this thing riding the dragon? This guy must be loaded with accidental/disability/life insurance.










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Old 04-26-2013, 04:47 AM   #20502
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Target Fixation

My humble guess is that the rider looked at the orange barrels & was distracted just long enough so he did not lean over in time...
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:04 AM   #20503
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also he's a pretty slow turner and tends to early apex to the inside, probably freezing on the bars a bit too. +1 for trying to shift weight but his upper body tends to be crossed up. agree with the "over his head" crowd- turn was too sharp for his technique & speed, maybe he chopped throttle & or braked when the fear came on & made it worse. variations of that have only happened to me like a million times....
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:50 AM   #20504
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I'm no expert, but it looked like the guy never started his turn from the far outside. In these situations I like to use all the lane available to me. It looks like this guy always starts his turn from the middle of the lane.

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Old 04-26-2013, 06:42 AM   #20505
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Not always. The last time I rode through there (2009) I didn't even notice Killboy and didn't realize they'd taken a pic until I got home and looked it up. (And my pic probably came out better because if it.)
I've noticed the Photogs out here tend to try to hide. One guy was setup under a guardrail. I would have never saw him but saw the camera moving tracking me as I leaned into the corner.
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