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Old 07-22-2013, 07:22 PM   #22516
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Why would he post a video of him being so dumb?
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:55 PM   #22517
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Strange the talk on the MSF course teaching people not to cover the brake and clutch. During my MSF BRC-1 the instructors taught us that we were supposed to cover the brake and clutch. Surprising inconsistency. I generally do not cover the levers under general riding conditions but do cover in more agressive, parking lot, and offroad riding situations. Which seem to be more frequent lol...
I thought it strange also.

Years of covering brake & clutch has provided skill in both feathering the clutch and moderating the brake.

Just a matter of preference; no problem here.

To each their own. ;-)
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:59 PM   #22518
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Just found this video, Plenty of fail in this one... The guy who is recording has horrible lines and crosses the double yellow a few times, also no gloves

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Old 07-22-2013, 10:06 PM   #22519
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:17 AM   #22520
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Strange the talk on the MSF course teaching people not to cover the brake and clutch. During my MSF BRC-1 the instructors taught us that we were supposed to cover the brake and clutch. Surprising inconsistency. I generally do not cover the levers under general riding conditions but do cover in more agressive, parking lot, and offroad riding situations. Which seem to be more frequent lol...
They may well have suggested covering the clutch early on, but I doubt they said "clutch and brake" - apparently not every instructor follows the curriculum exactly as they should
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:21 AM   #22521
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They may well have suggested covering the clutch early on, but I doubt they said "clutch and brake" - apparently not every instructor follows the curriculum exactly as they should
that and people hear what they want / think they heard.....
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Old 07-23-2013, 06:22 AM   #22522
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Why would he post a video of him being so dumb?
You asked and answered your own question. He's dumb.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:29 AM   #22523
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Why would he post a video of him being so dumb?
Perhaps he does not know it is a fail to cross the double line? Or that he should wear gloves.

I used to think the double yellow meant "do not pass". It was not until I was researching lane splitting that I realized the law (in texas anyway) requires you to stay within the lane to the "maximum extent practical".
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:31 AM   #22524
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Years of covering brake & clutch has provided skill in both feathering the clutch and moderating the brake.
I don't see any connection there. Covering is covering without applying, so has nothing to do with "moderating" (usually "modulating") either lever. If someone is squeezing them a little while covering, they are not doing it right, that would just be dragging the brake or slipping the clutch (or wearing out the throwout by adding pressure even if not squeezing the clutch enough to slip it).

I'm not against someone "covering" but don't see how it is of any help at all in learning to "feather", "modulate", "moderate", whatever you want to call it. Covering is just the position your hand is in BEFORE you do any of those things.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:36 AM   #22525
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I used to think the double yellow meant "do not pass".
It means more like "do not cross" which includes passing. Obviously here and there are situations where there is a necessity to cross it and a judge would not find you responsible, if anyone were to write you a ticket in the first place. Like perhaps a parked delivery truck blocking the lane or a tree down in the road. But that you could go faster or lean less or are too lazy to steer if you went over, are not reasons.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:39 AM   #22526
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I find that throttle control is more precise when my index and middle fingers rest on the top of the brake lever.
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Vermont State Law also allows passing across the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side

Pennsylvania also permits passing on double-yellow lines when not also posted with "Do Not Pass" signage.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:37 AM   #22528
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In my State, last I read, a Solid Line to the right ("your side") of the Dashed Centerline means Thou Shalt Not Pass, and I've always assumed that a Double Line meant no passing for either lane. State laws may change with the adoption of some Federal Regs required for road funding.

I've always interpreted the "cover the brake lever" as moving a couple or more fingers from the rest position to the brake lever when you see a potential braking situation up ahead, to prepare for braking and to cut your reaction time.

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Old 07-23-2013, 09:37 AM   #22529
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I don't see any connection there. Covering is covering without applying, so has nothing to do with "moderating" (usually "modulating") either lever. If someone is squeezing them a little while covering, they are not doing it right, that would just be dragging the brake or slipping the clutch (or wearing out the throwout by adding pressure even if not squeezing the clutch enough to slip it).

I'm not against someone "covering" but don't see how it is of any help at all in learning to "feather", "modulate", "moderate", whatever you want to call it. Covering is just the position your hand is in BEFORE you do any of those things.
I always use two fingers on the front brake, and that's for several reasons.

1) It dramatically reduces reaction time.

2) Resting 2 fingers on top of the lever acts to steady the throttle hand.

3) One can blip for downshifts while braking for the next corner.

4) Two fingers are all that's needed because I can lock the front wheel with them on my current bikes, and it's easier to modulate the braking with two fingers than it is with four.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:53 AM   #22530
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Covering the clutch

At the MSF course I took this summer, they didn't want us to cover the clutch or brake during the practice or exam because they wanted us to build good muscle memory by learning to reach for it each time. One of the instructors said she covered the clutch and brakes at times, and that we were free to do so once we had passed the test. I think the point of the MSF is to teach good technique, not necessarily the BEST way. To each their own.


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