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Old 07-30-2013, 09:33 AM   #22756
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I can see crossing the double yellow for a couple of reasons, and I do it myself. One, if you have good sight lines and wish to pass a slow moving vehicle. Two, in an emergency manouver if something is blocking the road. Three, there is no three.
In Kansas there is a Three. When turning left it is "customary" (but not legal) to travel in the oncoming lane so that the people behind you don't have to slow down. The police even do it.

It freaked me the hell out the first time I saw someone do that.

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Old 07-30-2013, 09:39 AM   #22757
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In Kansas there is a Three. When turning left it is "customary" (but not legal) to travel in the oncoming lane so that the people behind you don't have to slow down. The police even do it.

It freaked me the hell out the first time I saw someone do that.

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Old 07-30-2013, 09:40 AM   #22758
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:02 AM   #22759
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The word "accident" is overused, and is a nice way of saying "you screwed up."

You're driving down the road, checking your text message, and you look up just in enough time to see traffic stopping. You can't stop quick enough, and you rear end the car in front of you. Society would call this an "accident." However, it is in no way an accident. You were being stupid and you caused a wreck, not an accident.

The lines have been blurred over time, and in a politically correct society we use the word "accident" to explain "idiocy."

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The point is that if you look at these things as accidents, you are likely to repeat them. Accidents are events largely out of your control. If you look at them as idiot induced crashes, you'll learn from them, and are less likely to make the same mistakes.
You seem to contradict yourself here. In your first sentence, you say that "accident" can mean that someone screwed up. But then in your second paragraph you say that when someone fucks up it is not an accident, but is causing a "wreck."

The dictionary has a couple of definitions for "accident" that apply to the situation being discussed, and they cover both of the things you said.

1: an event occurring by chance or or arising from unknown causes.

Obviously this is not what we're talking about.

2: an unfortunate event resulting from carelessness, unawareness, ignorance, or a combination of causes.

Bingo!

Where I differ with your opinion is that "accident" has not become a polite way of saying "you screwed up." It has become a way of letting people off the hook, telling them that they couldn't have prevented the accident when indeed they could have. In other words, they incorrectly use the term "accident" as the first definition, instead of the second.

What people should say is "You caused that accident by not paying attention."

If you learn the English language, you'll look at some accidents as things that can be avoided and/or prevented. If you learn safe riding habits, you won't have to worry about whether the person cosoling you is using the word "accident" correctly. And if you're truly honest with yourself, you'll know which definition of "accident" to use when you describe events that involve you.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:27 AM   #22760
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You seem to contradict yourself here. In your first sentence, you say that "accident" can mean that someone screwed up. But then in your second paragraph you say that when someone fucks up it is not an accident, but is causing a "wreck."

The dictionary has a couple of definitions for "accident" that apply to the situation being discussed, and they cover both of the things you said.

1: an event occurring by chance or or arising from unknown causes.

Obviously this is not what we're talking about.

2: an unfortunate event resulting from carelessness, unawareness, ignorance, or a combination of causes.

Bingo!

Where I differ with your opinion is that "accident" has not become a polite way of saying "you screwed up." It has become a way of letting people off the hook, telling them that they couldn't have prevented the accident when indeed they could have. In other words, they incorrectly use the term "accident" as the first definition, instead of the second.

What people should say is "You caused that accident by not paying attention."

If you learn the English language, you'll look at some accidents as things that can be avoided and/or prevented. If you learn safe riding habits, you won't have to worry about whether the person cosoling you is using the word "accident" correctly. And if you're truly honest with yourself, you'll know which definition of "accident" to use when you describe events that involve you.

Whoa, we've got an Grammar Nazi in our midst. Choose your dictionaries well, because Oxford would not agree with you.



My first sentence was intended to mean that in the parlance of our times, "accident" has become a politically correct way of describing a situation in which someone merely screwed up.

Very few "accidents" are accidents in the truest and oldest form of the word. Most things that we call "accidents" did not occur by chance or unknown causes. They occur because of very deliberate decisions.

Basically, when trying to present yourself as the heir of intellectual superiority you agreed with me and just made yourself look like ass. Keep at it though, especially if it makes you feel good about yourself.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:33 AM   #22761
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In Kansas there is a Three. When turning left it is "customary" (but not legal) to travel in the oncoming lane so that the people behind you don't have to slow down. The police even do it.

It freaked me the hell out the first time I saw someone do that.
Yeah but Kansas you can see for four miles if anything is coming from the opposite direction.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:08 AM   #22762
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I thought this was a killboy picture thread. Not a safety thread. I think there's another thread for that!
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:12 AM   #22763
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In Kansas there is a Three. When turning left it is "customary" (but not legal) to travel in the oncoming lane so that the people behind you don't have to slow down. The police even do it.

It freaked me the hell out the first time I saw someone do that.
I've seen folks use the oncoming shoulder for this stunt frequently but I'm having trouble recalling use of the oncoming lane.

Then like SkiFastBadly says, most of the roads in Kansas the visibility is limited only by the curvature of the earth.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:15 AM   #22764
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It is a custom here, too. Especially rural areas, especially "older drivers" will use the oncoming lane as an impromptu turn lane. People who leanred to drive in the '40's and '50s and didn't make the (em)migration up towards Chicago for work. Freaked me out 30-40 years ago the first time I saw it, and it still make me nervous. Such is life in the boonies.

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Old 07-30-2013, 11:18 AM   #22765
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I thought this was a killboy picture thread. Not a safety thread. I think there's another thread for that!
You thought wrong. This is a Killboy picture thread of people doing stupidly unsafe things. Hence the word FAILURE in the title.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:24 AM   #22766
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In Kansas there is a Three. When turning left it is "customary" (but not legal) to travel in the oncoming lane so that the people behind you don't have to slow down. The police even do it.

It freaked me the hell out the first time I saw someone do that.
The name is a farmers turn

During Corn harvest it is also customary to honk at blind intersections so the smaller cars and trucks know to stop. You honk and if you hear someone else honk, you unfasten your seatbelt if you wear one (not common) and get your door open to jump, cause as overloaded as that truck is you ain't gonna stop. It gets better when the corn is cut and it is late soybean season.

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Old 07-30-2013, 11:27 AM   #22767
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:28 AM   #22768
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Here is an interesting way to drag a knee.

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Old 07-30-2013, 11:30 AM   #22769
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Nice bike. Not ATGATT though.

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Old 07-30-2013, 11:35 AM   #22770
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