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Old 09-13-2013, 04:24 PM   #24271
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Too bad the road is curving the wrong way....
I believe 95% of the dragon draggers need riding lessons & track days!
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:25 PM   #24272
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I believe 95% of the dragon draggers need riding lessons & track days!
If I'm sitting on the wrong side of the bike like that, it's some crazy sharp corner and I'm on a supermoto with a boot out....

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Old 09-13-2013, 05:02 PM   #24273
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If I'm sitting on the wrong side of the bike like that, it's some crazy sharp corner and I'm on a supermoto with a boot out....

Just trying to figure out the physics involved.

I think the foot peg is holding all together. like a fingernail just slightly biting into the asphalt.. I could be wrong tho.
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Old 09-13-2013, 05:12 PM   #24274
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Just trying to figure out the physics involved.

I think the foot peg is holding all together. like a fingernail just slightly biting into the asphalt.. I could be wrong tho.
Haha, not quite.
In really tight stuff, you've got to get some weight up on the front tire.
The leg is up and out to weigh the front while getting your boot out of the way, giving more clearance for more lean.
The footpeg can fold up out of the way, but doesn't contribute, and many run peg sliders.
Also, getting the bike lower makes the contact patches bigger on narrower sumo tires.

Supermoto physics screws with some peoples heads, but once you've experienced it, it just feels right. It's not just those "darn motocrossers and flat-trackers"

In the fast sweeping stuff, you ride it like a sportbike, but in the really tight stuff with rapid transitions, you change it up.

You can skip the first couple minutes:


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Old 09-13-2013, 05:34 PM   #24275
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Yeah, 40,000 miles of tread life is wonderful..cost effective..wait, I can't think of anything else to justify the choice.
They do actually work good on sidecars.
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Old 09-13-2013, 05:35 PM   #24276
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Old 09-13-2013, 05:37 PM   #24277
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They do actually work good on sidecars.
Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing the side cars with CT's on them at RoadAmerica...a few times...
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:06 PM   #24278
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It's kind of funny when you see guys on supermotos or dualsports sticking their foot out because they've seen it but not really knowing why. Then, they attempt to use that foot to hold them up when they find themselves leaning a bit more than they expected and *snap* goes the leg bone. I see beginner dirt guys doing this too, not using the foot out to make space and to put more weight up front but to try to hold the bike up. At least dirt is more forgiving.
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:01 PM   #24279
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It's kind of funny when you see guys on supermotos or dualsports sticking their foot out because they've seen it but not really knowing why. Then, they attempt to use that foot to hold them up when they find themselves leaning a bit more than they expected and *snap* goes the leg bone. I see beginner dirt guys doing this too, not using the foot out to make space and to put more weight up front but to try to hold the bike up. At least dirt is more forgiving.
I learned as a youth on bicycles that dirt is "grabby" when you crash and makes me say ouch!

I try to keep my feet out of the dirt while riding.

I will test traction on the road by touching a boot down. Sometimes a road looks shiny and slick but actually has good traction. Sometimes it changes color and I want to see if there is fresh chips or whatever explains the color change and sometimes it is raining and I'm just trying to figure out how slick it is.

But I don't hang a leg out like Rossi :-)
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:09 PM   #24280
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I learned as a youth on bicycles that dirt is "grabby" when you crash and makes me say ouch!

I try to keep my feet out of the dirt while riding.

I will test traction on the road by touching a boot down. Sometimes a road looks shiny and slick but actually has good traction. Sometimes it changes color and I want to see if there is fresh chips or whatever explains the color change and sometimes it is raining and I'm just trying to figure out how slick it is.

But I don't hang a leg out like Rossi :-)
Speaking of Rossi and supermoto



And there's a reason supermoto guys wear boots with sliders soles. You might not put weight on it, but you will touch down every now and then, and you want those pieces to be replaceable.

I've got the Gaerne Supermotards, they're super comfortable and surprising flexible without sacrificing support.
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:21 PM   #24281
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They do actually work good on sidecars.
Yep, too bad we can't fit them on our Urals easily.
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Old 09-14-2013, 04:02 AM   #24282
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This is why I'm staying the hell off the dragon. For all intents and purposes it appears to have become a circus. All I need is for some darksider on his cruising barge wearing a novelty helmet, shorts and flip flops to run a corner wide and take me out. No thanks. You couldn't pay me to ride there.
Or someone on a Triumph Tiger...
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Old 09-14-2013, 05:42 AM   #24283
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I currently have a heavily squared off rear tire. The feel sucks, but the cornering speed is unaffected. This is what the CT folks report. They corner just fine, at speed, and the feel of the bike is quite different. They do work harder to get the bike to lean and turn.

Funny thing about tires. Put 30 psi in them and then put on 500 LBS of load. They all, car tire, MC tire, semi tire, will deform to put about 16 square inches of rubber on the road. The shape may differ, and there are some effects from the belting, but it is pretty close.

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Old 09-14-2013, 06:18 AM   #24284
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The difference being that your rear tire is worn out and much more likely to puncture.

Then there's load index. LI is listed @ 40 PSI cold.
My M/C rear tire has LI 56 = 224 kg and the C/T I use has LI 79 = 437 kg

Loadwise, there's no need to inflate the C/T to the pressure the M/C rear tire requires, and the C/T only feels real square if the pressure is to high.

I feel no steamroller effect going through roundabouts.

Dumbsider, maybe, I feel dumber paying for the whole width of the M/C tire and only using the center third, which is gone in 3000 miles or less.

There aren't any longer curves around here, and it gets awfully tiring riding the bike leaned-over on straight roads.
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:39 AM   #24285
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I learned as a youth on bicycles that dirt is "grabby" when you crash and makes me say ouch!

I try to keep my feet out of the dirt while riding.

I will test traction on the road by touching a boot down. Sometimes a road looks shiny and slick but actually has good traction. Sometimes it changes color and I want to see if there is fresh chips or whatever explains the color change and sometimes it is raining and I'm just trying to figure out how slick it is.

But I don't hang a leg out like Rossi :-)
I recommend testing traction with the rear brake
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