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Old 11-03-2011, 09:39 AM   #3811
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Guys...
You can't do a stoppie if your front tire is skidding. ABS doesn't engage until the tire is skidding. Stoppies and ABS are two different things and don't really belong in the same topic.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:45 AM   #3812
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I don't know about that...

The ABS on the 2010 RT engaged well before I thought I was going to skid the front tire on the blacktop in front of my house. This is where I do the 30 to zero braking test on every bike I ride.

BMW's idea of how far you can go in "threshold" braking might not be the same as other folks.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:52 AM   #3813
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I thought rear tire was in air at first too but I think its an optical illusion with the shadows, studing it closer it think it's planted on the asphalt. Eitherway hard say what's going on there.
Yeah, I can see it now, wonder what the hell is the matter with him.
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Old 11-03-2011, 09:56 AM   #3814
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Now that I think of it, maybe the ABS on the 2010 RT is so dialed in that it sensed the tiny little stoppie before I realized I had air under the rear tire?

Wow... I may be an ABS save without even knowing just how perilously close I came to a sudden and gruesome death!

Thank God for Bavarian engineering!

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Old 11-03-2011, 10:01 AM   #3815
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I don't know about that...

The ABS on the 2010 RT engaged well before I thought I was going to skid the front tire on the blacktop in front of my house. This is where I do the 30 to zero braking test on every bike I ride.

BMW's idea of how far you can go in "threshold" braking might not be the same as other folks.
I see this topic sliding quickly into a discussion of ABS and I don't want to contribute to this, but I need to comment on your post. The reason the BMW ABS kicks in quicker is because it actually threshold brakes. The newest ABS (which your has) does not release the brake. It modulates it as much as required for maximum braking effect. It might release just 20% of available pressure and then back on to 100%. Read this article several times. Read the whole thing and make sure you full understand what is happening with your brakes.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:02 AM   #3816
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Are you saying Utah sucks?
NO! I think I was there for that stunt guy, the area looks familiar however I'm sure areas all look the same down there. Sandy, Utah perhaps?
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:03 AM   #3817
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I don't know about that...

The ABS on the 2010 RT engaged well before I thought I was going to skid the front tire on the blacktop in front of my house. This is where I do the 30 to zero braking test on every bike I ride.

BMW's idea of how far you can go in "threshold" braking might not be the same as other folks.

Trust me... if you go from not touching the front brake lever to full grab as fast as you can, the rear wheel will come off the ground.... even on an RT. I see it often.
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:32 AM   #3818
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Now, back to the pictures....... Anybody?
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:34 AM   #3819
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"Should the rider apply the brakes in such a situation only on one wheel, the wheel involved (generally the front wheel) has to convey the full power of the brake and is therefore only able to build up a low level of lateral support and guidance.
The integral system, by contrast, distributes brake power ideally to both wheels, providing a higher level of lateral and side support on each wheel (naturally as long as the brakes do not enter the ABS mode). This ensures maximum brake stability within the physical limits applicable in each case.
Apart from increasing side forces, the semi-integral function also ensures better detection of a rear wheel lifting off when applying the brakes all out.
While conventional two-channel ABS brake systems are only able to evaluate wheel speed signals, BMW Motorrad’s integral system provides more information, monitoring both pressure signals in the two brake circuits and the speed of both wheels and thus determining the degree of stopping power and, accordingly, any tendency of the rear wheel to lift off."

Thank God for "Anti Stoppy Technology".

When will they have that new "Cuts Your Meat Into Little Chunks" system available as an option?

Still waiting on that Proximity Sensing De-moleculizer Beam thingy.

And the anti-gravity belt... yeah, anti gravity belts, that's the ticket!
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:10 AM   #3820
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R1200GSA doing stoppies.. including 2up... it can be done... not by me

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Old 11-03-2011, 12:15 PM   #3821
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ABS turned off?

YOU'RE GONNA DIE... YOU'RE GONNA DIE!!!

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Old 11-03-2011, 12:56 PM   #3822
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Obviously with the ABS off, stoppies are as easy as any other bike. Even with ABS on you can get small stoppies. The ABS stops working under 5mph on BMW bikes.

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Old 11-03-2011, 01:40 PM   #3823
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The guy on the GS is just about to stop, ready to put his foot down, the back wheel is on the ground.
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:43 PM   #3824
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So your buddy didn't end up over the line?
Not in that turn, though I did watch him lock the rear SM early in the week and end up wide of white - he blamed it on the rubber.

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you can capture it when it looks like the light is off.
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I was wondering why no one in my group had mentioned it, they tend to be quick pointers out of anything not to their fancy.
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Old 11-03-2011, 05:47 PM   #3825
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You need to practice more. Stopies are indeed possible on a GS.

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Guys, I am amazed. I have many times grabbed the front brake about as hard as I thought was possible - hard enough to where the ABS was kicking in on hard level pavement and never got the idea the back end would
come up.

Do those bikes have linked brakes? Mine does.
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