Killboy failure Dragon Fest - Page 255

Blur · 11-03-2011, 09:22 AM

BUBB stated he can't think of a scenario where the rear tire would come off the ground. My reply was to point out an everyday scenario that each of us could potentially encounter while riding... and now you're talking about stoppies.

Whatever!

A stoppie is a stunt maneuver.... How many here are going to try and stunt?

lemieuxmc · 11-03-2011, 09:37 AM

It could be the very beginning of a highside where you suddenly grabbed the front brake in the transition moment from left to right because you became target fixated on the camera guy.

I found it wasn't very hard to do a stoppie on my friends 850R oilhead without ABS, but maybe I didn't try hard enough on his 2010RT because the ABS kicked in (and I didn't want to crash his new bike!).

P.S. I don't think that "Teach" Mc Neil uses the ABS on the GS 800.

zippy · 11-03-2011, 09:39 AM

out of petrol and flintstoning to the station ?

Blur · 11-03-2011, 09:39 AM

Guys...
You can't do a stoppie if your front tire is skidding. ABS doesn't engage until the tire is skidding. Stoppies and ABS are two different things and don't really belong in the same topic.

lemieuxmc · 11-03-2011, 09:45 AM

I don't know about that...

The ABS on the 2010 RT engaged well before I thought I was going to skid the front tire on the blacktop in front of my house. This is where I do the 30 to zero braking test on every bike I ride.

BMW's idea of how far you can go in "threshold" braking might not be the same as other folks.

ReactorTrip · 11-03-2011, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCrider

I thought rear tire was in air at first too but I think its an optical illusion with the shadows, studing it closer it think it's planted on the asphalt. Eitherway hard say what's going on there.

Yeah, I can see it now, wonder what the hell is the matter with him.

lemieuxmc · 11-03-2011, 09:56 AM

Now that I think of it, maybe the ABS on the 2010 RT is so dialed in that it sensed the tiny little stoppie before I realized I had air under the rear tire?

Wow... I may be an ABS save without even knowing just how perilously close I came to a sudden and gruesome death!

Thank God for Bavarian engineering!

(Cue the stirring German martial music)

cliffy109 · 11-03-2011, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc

I don't know about that...

The ABS on the 2010 RT engaged well before I thought I was going to skid the front tire on the blacktop in front of my house. This is where I do the 30 to zero braking test on every bike I ride.

BMW's idea of how far you can go in "threshold" braking might not be the same as other folks.

I see this topic sliding quickly into a discussion of ABS and I don't want to contribute to this, but I need to comment on your post. The reason the BMW ABS kicks in quicker is because it actually threshold brakes. The newest ABS (which your has) does not release the brake. It modulates it as much as required for maximum braking effect. It might release just 20% of available pressure and then back on to 100%. Read this article several times. Read the whole thing and make sure you full understand what is happening with your brakes.

ThatGuy · 11-03-2011, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAKEZ

Are you saying Utah sucks?

NO! I think I was there for that stunt guy, the area looks familiar however I'm sure areas all look the same down there. Sandy, Utah perhaps?

Blur · 11-03-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc

I don't know about that...

The ABS on the 2010 RT engaged well before I thought I was going to skid the front tire on the blacktop in front of my house. This is where I do the 30 to zero braking test on every bike I ride.

BMW's idea of how far you can go in "threshold" braking might not be the same as other folks.

Trust me... if you go from not touching the front brake lever to full grab as fast as you can, the rear wheel will come off the ground.... even on an RT. I see it often.

joenuclear · 11-03-2011, 10:32 AM

Now, back to the pictures....... Anybody?

lemieuxmc · 11-03-2011, 10:34 AM

"Should the rider apply the brakes in such a situation only on one wheel, the wheel involved (generally the front wheel) has to convey the full power of the brake and is therefore only able to build up a low level of lateral support and guidance.
The integral system, by contrast, distributes brake power ideally to both wheels, providing a higher level of lateral and side support on each wheel (naturally as long as the brakes do not enter the ABS mode). This ensures maximum brake stability within the physical limits applicable in each case.
Apart from increasing side forces, the semi-integral function also ensures better detection of a rear wheel lifting off when applying the brakes all out.
While conventional two-channel ABS brake systems are only able to evaluate wheel speed signals, BMW Motorrad’s integral system provides more information, monitoring both pressure signals in the two brake circuits and the speed of both wheels and thus determining the degree of stopping power and, accordingly, any tendency of the rear wheel to lift off."

Thank God for "Anti Stoppy Technology".

When will they have that new "Cuts Your Meat Into Little Chunks" system available as an option?

Still waiting on that Proximity Sensing De-moleculizer Beam thingy.

And the anti-gravity belt... yeah, anti gravity belts, that's the ticket!

mrt10x · 11-03-2011, 11:10 AM

R1200GSA doing stoppies.. including 2up... it can be done... not by me

lemieuxmc · 11-03-2011, 12:15 PM

ABS turned off?

YOU'RE GONNA DIE... YOU'RE GONNA DIE!!!

(This is a sarcastic post)

JimVonBaden · 11-03-2011, 12:56 PM

Obviously with the ABS off, stoppies are as easy as any other bike. Even with ABS on you can get small stoppies. The ABS stops working under 5mph on BMW bikes.

Jim

11-03-2011, 09:22 AM	#3811
Blur egregious outlier Joined: Jun 2010 Location: by the fire Oddometer: 3,365	BUBB stated he can't think of a scenario where the rear tire would come off the ground. My reply was to point out an everyday scenario that each of us could potentially encounter while riding... and now you're talking about stoppies. Whatever! A stoppie is a stunt maneuver.... How many here are going to try and stunt? __________________ "Correct spelling, correct punctuation, correct grammar. Hundreds of itsy-bitsy rules for itsy-bitsy people. No one could remember all that stuff and concentrate on what he was trying to write about. It was all table manners, not derived from any sense of kindness or decency or humanity" - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

11-03-2011, 09:39 AM	#3814
Blur egregious outlier Joined: Jun 2010 Location: by the fire Oddometer: 3,365	Guys... You can't do a stoppie if your front tire is skidding. ABS doesn't engage until the tire is skidding. Stoppies and ABS are two different things and don't really belong in the same topic. __________________ "Correct spelling, correct punctuation, correct grammar. Hundreds of itsy-bitsy rules for itsy-bitsy people. No one could remember all that stuff and concentrate on what he was trying to write about. It was all table manners, not derived from any sense of kindness or decency or humanity" - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

11-03-2011, 10:32 AM	#3821
joenuclear Planning..... Joined: Mar 2007 Oddometer: 5,240	Now, back to the pictures....... Anybody? __________________ Ride safe enough....

11-03-2011, 11:10 AM	#3823
mrt10x Dumba$s Jarhead Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Newport, RI Oddometer: 2,844	R1200GSA doing stoppies.. including 2up... it can be done... not by me __________________ We are enmeshed in the cancerous discipline of "security." And in the worship of security we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine - and before we know it our lives are gone.

11-03-2011, 12:56 PM	#3825
JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid! Joined: Feb 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Oddometer: 41,483	Obviously with the ABS off, stoppies are as easy as any other bike. Even with ABS on you can get small stoppies. The ABS stops working under 5mph on BMW bikes. Jim __________________ Click here for BMW Maintenance and Repair DVDs and Corrections. "Combo-Order Discounts!"

11-03-2011, 09:37 AM	#3812
lemieuxmc Banned Joined: Mar 2009 Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!! Oddometer: 3,360	It could be the very beginning of a highside where you suddenly grabbed the front brake in the transition moment from left to right because you became target fixated on the camera guy. I found it wasn't very hard to do a stoppie on my friends 850R oilhead without ABS, but maybe I didn't try hard enough on his 2010RT because the ABS kicked in (and I didn't want to crash his new bike!). P.S. I don't think that "Teach" Mc Neil uses the ABS on the GS 800.

11-03-2011, 09:39 AM	#3813
zippy Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2003 Location: St Pete Oddometer: 1,910	out of petrol and flintstoning to the station ?

11-03-2011, 09:45 AM	#3815
lemieuxmc Banned Joined: Mar 2009 Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!! Oddometer: 3,360	I don't know about that... The ABS on the 2010 RT engaged well before I thought I was going to skid the front tire on the blacktop in front of my house. This is where I do the 30 to zero braking test on every bike I ride. BMW's idea of how far you can go in "threshold" braking might not be the same as other folks.

11-03-2011, 09:56 AM	#3817
lemieuxmc Banned Joined: Mar 2009 Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!! Oddometer: 3,360	Now that I think of it, maybe the ABS on the 2010 RT is so dialed in that it sensed the tiny little stoppie before I realized I had air under the rear tire? Wow... I may be an ABS save without even knowing just how perilously close I came to a sudden and gruesome death! Thank God for Bavarian engineering! (Cue the stirring German martial music)

11-03-2011, 10:34 AM	#3822
lemieuxmc Banned Joined: Mar 2009 Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!! Oddometer: 3,360	"Should the rider apply the brakes in such a situation only on one wheel, the wheel involved (generally the front wheel) has to convey the full power of the brake and is therefore only able to build up a low level of lateral support and guidance. The integral system, by contrast, distributes brake power ideally to both wheels, providing a higher level of lateral and side support on each wheel (naturally as long as the brakes do not enter the ABS mode). This ensures maximum brake stability within the physical limits applicable in each case. Apart from increasing side forces, the semi-integral function also ensures better detection of a rear wheel lifting off when applying the brakes all out. While conventional two-channel ABS brake systems are only able to evaluate wheel speed signals, BMW Motorrad’s integral system provides more information, monitoring both pressure signals in the two brake circuits and the speed of both wheels and thus determining the degree of stopping power and, accordingly, any tendency of the rear wheel to lift off." Thank God for "Anti Stoppy Technology". When will they have that new "Cuts Your Meat Into Little Chunks" system available as an option? Still waiting on that Proximity Sensing De-moleculizer Beam thingy. And the anti-gravity belt... yeah, anti gravity belts, that's the ticket!

11-03-2011, 12:15 PM	#3824
lemieuxmc Banned Joined: Mar 2009 Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!! Oddometer: 3,360	ABS turned off? *YOU'RE GONNA DIE... YOU'RE GONNA DIE!!!* (This is a sarcastic post)

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