Killboy failure Dragon Fest

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Originally Posted by lemieuxmc

That comment from Schwantz about ignoring the rear brake is another one that gets blown way out of proportion.

On a racetrack, on a high performance bike, with a skilled rider, the front brake is doing almost all of the work because the rear wheel is on the edge of a stoppie whenever you are hard on the brakes (since it's a RACE track, that's pretty much all of the time you are on the brakes, because the rest of the time you are hard on the GAS) unless you are just riding around the track posing for photos.

On a normal street bike, on the street, at normal speeds, your rear brake is important.

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[ReactorTrip]

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc

Surely, keeping them away from anything bigger than a Honda Super Cub would be a much better idea!

Truly, you should have known...

Yeah, that's likely to happen. He is just giving them tips. I think it's a good idea.

I rarely ever use my rear brake on the street, it has to be an unusual condition like coming to a stop when debris is on the pavement. I personally agree with that suggestion. Of course I am one of those asshats that treat the gap like a race course though, so whatever. Don't like that, don't worry, I ride when tourists aren't causing parades...

A modern sportbike has little need for a rear brake in normal conditions on the street. Stoppies are fun.

[scottfromboston]

I can't see exactly his lean angle before the wreck, but something as simple as stiffening up on the bars could cause a washout like that depending on tires, road camber, body position...

[slartidbartfast]

Originally Posted by Hawk

I will agree to disagree, he is OFF power when the slide occurs. Now with that said I could be convinced to acquiesce that he was in too low a gear when he closed the throttle (too quickly) and thus causing the rear to lock up and slide.

I was watching it on my Blackberry with no sound - Looked like a power slide, not just a slide. Now I hear the soundtrack, it definitely occurs as he gets back ON the power. Still nothing to do with the rear brake as far as I can tell.

[bwalsh]

Originally Posted by ReactorTrip

You guys forget Killboy's target audience.

Noob sportbike riders riding on a very very technical road...

On a modern sportbike, the rear brake is not that important unless you need it for some other non normal condition such as gravel in the road.

Noobs have a habit of slamming their rear brakes up there with no front brake at all. Keeping them away from that brake is a good idea.

I'm not slamming killboy here but I wonder how many of these accidents he/they capture(s) would still have happened with no cameras positioned on the side of the road. You know how a camera brings out the best(read worst) in idiots and folks who have to "prove" they can ride fast. That goes for any sport.
Around here you would get run off by LEO's for being an "attractive nuisance" or for just being setup on the side of the road period.

[slartidbartfast]

Originally Posted by bwalsh

I'm not slamming killboy here but I wonder how many of these accidents he/they capture(s) would still have happened with no cameras positioned on the side of the road. You know how a camera brings out the best(read worst) in idiots and folks who have to "prove" they can ride fast. That goes for any sport.
Around here you would get run off by LEO's for being an "attractive nuisance" or for just being setup on the side of the road period.

Either he picks the most technically difficult/hazardous corner on the road or HE is responsible for a great many crashes. Sooner or later someone is going to die or be seriously hurt and he will be sued out of business.

[scooteraug02]

Originally Posted by slartidbartfast

Either he picks the most technically difficult/hazardous corner on the road or HE is responsible for a great many crashes. Sooner or later someone is going to die or be seriously hurt and he will be sued out of business.

Originally Posted by scooteraug02

Dragon stats FYI

My pdf link above shows where the deaths have been.

There are all kinds of people at a lot of corners and no one's camera has a flash. Maybe he picks the most difficult corner's or corners with the most action historically. I doubt anyone would win a law suit. You can sue anyone but winning is another thing.

This guy may have crashed because of the camera though. Did the camera man cause the sparks from dragging metal? Why does he have one hand off the controls?
Just saying.

[bwalsh]

Originally Posted by scooteraug02

My pdf link above shows where the deaths have been.

I'll have to go back and look at it.

There are all kinds of people at a lot of corners and no one's camera has a flash. Maybe he picks the most difficult corner's or corners with the most action historically. I doubt anyone would win a law suit. You can sue anyone but winning is another thing.

Yes but one good frivolous lawsuit could bankrupt a person or small business. Not saying I agree with that but...

This guy may have crashed because of the camera though. Did the camera man cause the sparks from dragging metal? Why does he have one hand off the controls?
Just saying.

I think a lot of the ones we saw crashed were because they were showing off or riding harder( for the camera) then they normally would have or their experience dictates.

[XR650L_Dave]

Killboy and the other photogs act like a filter- the rest of the road after them is safer having been cleaned of squids, showoffs, ne'er-do-wells, etc.


Dave

[scooteraug02]

Originally Posted by XR650L_Dave

Killboy and the other photogs act like a filter- the rest of the road after them is safer having been cleaned of squids, showoffs, ne'er-do-wells, etc.


Dave

That's a good one.

[Florida Lime]

Originally Posted by Hawk

I will agree to disagree, he is OFF power when the slide occurs. Now with that said I could be convinced to acquiesce that he was in too low a gear when he closed the throttle (too quickly) and thus causing the rear to lock up and slide.

How he sets up the turn is fairly common for some people in roadracing or supermoto racing - he is coming into the turn in a lower gear, and releasing the clutch more abruptly in order to bring the rear end around.

What goes wrong AFTER that, I really can't tell from the video.

[OldPete]

Originally Posted by XR650L_Dave

Killboy and the other photogs act like a filter- the rest of the road after them is safer having been cleaned of squids, showoffs, ne'er-do-wells, etc.


Dave

Called target fixation, great on the shooting range but killer while riding.
Search youtube for vids of target fixation motorcycle.

Two of us had a blue tarp up near the Budwiser Tower at Willow Springs Raceway many years ago.
It was uber-hot & windy, so we packed up quick between heats.
A bike crashed right where we were at a turn exit, the rider was looking for our tarp. I felt bad for him.

[NC Scott]

Originally Posted by gastone

I had to Google 'nambla'. I find it a little scary that you are familiar with them. I also find your analogy to be in pretty poor taste.

You'll get use to it.

[workerant]

Darryl is a hell of a rider; quick, smooth and good judgment. You can armchair-quarterback him all you like, but he's highly respected in these parts as a rider.

Some people do hotdog for the roadside photographers so they probably catch a disproportionate number of crashes. However, there are crashes all over the Gap all the time that are not caught by cameras. If you are so easily distracted that you crash because someone took your picture, you need to consider whether you should continue riding or perhaps take the bus instead.

Several people die on the Cherohala every year (if you don't mind losing your license, a sportbike can run the ton from Tellico Plains to Robbinsville) but you don't hear much about it. A lot of people have also died on NC28; it's got some unexpectedly tight and occasionally dirty corners. But again, no photographers and no forum hate.

TL;DR: the roads around here are twisty and not everyone rides within their limits. Some people should take the bus instead.

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Originally Posted by bwalsh

Around here you would get run off by LEO's for being an "attractive nuisance" or for just being setup on the side of the road period.

Attractive nuisance doesn't mean what you think it means. The land on the West side of US129 in Deal's Gap is controlled by TVA, which has very specific land use rules. The photographers are legally A-OK.

[Florida Lime]

Originally Posted by workerant

Darryl is a hell of a rider; quick, smooth and good judgment. You can armchair-quarterback him all you like, but he's highly respected in these parts as a rider.

Some people do hotdog for the roadside photographers so they probably catch a disproportionate number of crashes. However, there are crashes all over the Gap all the time that are not caught by cameras. If you are so easily distracted that you crash because someone took your picture, you need to consider whether you should continue riding or perhaps take the bus instead.

Several people die on the Cherohala every year (if you don't mind losing your license, a sportbike can run the ton from Tellico Plains to Robbinsville) but you don't hear much about it. A lot of people have also died on NC28; it's got some unexpectedly tight and occasionally dirty corners. But again, no photographers and no forum hate.

TL;DR: the roads around here are twisty and not everyone rides within their limits. Some people should take the bus instead.

Also:


Attractive nuisance doesn't mean what you think it means. The land on the West side of US129 in Deal's Gap is controlled by TVA, which has very specific land use rules. The photographers are legally A-OK.

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