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Old 11-17-2011, 11:06 AM   #4201
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I will agree to disagree, he is OFF power when the slide occurs. Now with that said I could be convinced to acquiesce that he was in too low a gear when he closed the throttle (too quickly) and thus causing the rear to lock up and slide.
I was watching it on my Blackberry with no sound - Looked like a power slide, not just a slide. Now I hear the soundtrack, it definitely occurs as he gets back ON the power. Still nothing to do with the rear brake as far as I can tell.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:59 AM   #4202
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You guys forget Killboy's target audience.

Noob sportbike riders riding on a very very technical road...

On a modern sportbike, the rear brake is not that important unless you need it for some other non normal condition such as gravel in the road.

Noobs have a habit of slamming their rear brakes up there with no front brake at all. Keeping them away from that brake is a good idea.
I'm not slamming killboy here but I wonder how many of these accidents he/they capture(s) would still have happened with no cameras positioned on the side of the road. You know how a camera brings out the best(read worst) in idiots and folks who have to "prove" they can ride fast. That goes for any sport.
Around here you would get run off by LEO's for being an "attractive nuisance" or for just being setup on the side of the road period.
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:07 PM   #4203
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I'm not slamming killboy here but I wonder how many of these accidents he/they capture(s) would still have happened with no cameras positioned on the side of the road. You know how a camera brings out the best(read worst) in idiots and folks who have to "prove" they can ride fast. That goes for any sport.
Around here you would get run off by LEO's for being an "attractive nuisance" or for just being setup on the side of the road period.
Either he picks the most technically difficult/hazardous corner on the road or HE is responsible for a great many crashes. Sooner or later someone is going to die or be seriously hurt and he will be sued out of business.
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:22 PM   #4204
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Either he picks the most technically difficult/hazardous corner on the road or HE is responsible for a great many crashes. Sooner or later someone is going to die or be seriously hurt and he will be sued out of business.

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My pdf link above shows where the deaths have been.

There are all kinds of people at a lot of corners and no one's camera has a flash. Maybe he picks the most difficult corner's or corners with the most action historically. I doubt anyone would win a law suit. You can sue anyone but winning is another thing.

This guy may have crashed because of the camera though. Did the camera man cause the sparks from dragging metal? Why does he have one hand off the controls?
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:32 PM   #4205
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My pdf link above shows where the deaths have been.

I'll have to go back and look at it.

There are all kinds of people at a lot of corners and no one's camera has a flash. Maybe he picks the most difficult corner's or corners with the most action historically. I doubt anyone would win a law suit. You can sue anyone but winning is another thing.

Yes but one good frivolous lawsuit could bankrupt a person or small business. Not saying I agree with that but...

This guy may have crashed because of the camera though. Did the camera man cause the sparks from dragging metal? Why does he have one hand off the controls?
Just saying.
I think a lot of the ones we saw crashed were because they were showing off or riding harder( for the camera) then they normally would have or their experience dictates.
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:40 PM   #4206
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Killboy and the other photogs act like a filter- the rest of the road after them is safer having been cleaned of squids, showoffs, ne'er-do-wells, etc.


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Old 11-17-2011, 12:45 PM   #4207
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Killboy and the other photogs act like a filter- the rest of the road after them is safer having been cleaned of squids, showoffs, ne'er-do-wells, etc.


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That's a good one.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:00 PM   #4208
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I will agree to disagree, he is OFF power when the slide occurs. Now with that said I could be convinced to acquiesce that he was in too low a gear when he closed the throttle (too quickly) and thus causing the rear to lock up and slide.
How he sets up the turn is fairly common for some people in roadracing or supermoto racing - he is coming into the turn in a lower gear, and releasing the clutch more abruptly in order to bring the rear end around.

What goes wrong AFTER that, I really can't tell from the video.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:12 PM   #4209
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Killboy and the other photogs act like a filter- the rest of the road after them is safer having been cleaned of squids, showoffs, ne'er-do-wells, etc.


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Called target fixation, great on the shooting range but killer while riding.
Search youtube for vids of target fixation motorcycle.

Two of us had a blue tarp up near the Budwiser Tower at Willow Springs Raceway many years ago.
It was uber-hot & windy, so we packed up quick between heats.
A bike crashed right where we were at a turn exit, the rider was looking for our tarp. I felt bad for him.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:54 PM   #4210
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I had to Google 'nambla'. I find it a little scary that you are familiar with them. I also find your analogy to be in pretty poor taste.
You'll get use to it.
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:26 PM   #4211
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Darryl is a hell of a rider; quick, smooth and good judgment. You can armchair-quarterback him all you like, but he's highly respected in these parts as a rider.

Some people do hotdog for the roadside photographers so they probably catch a disproportionate number of crashes. However, there are crashes all over the Gap all the time that are not caught by cameras. If you are so easily distracted that you crash because someone took your picture, you need to consider whether you should continue riding or perhaps take the bus instead.

Several people die on the Cherohala every year (if you don't mind losing your license, a sportbike can run the ton from Tellico Plains to Robbinsville) but you don't hear much about it. A lot of people have also died on NC28; it's got some unexpectedly tight and occasionally dirty corners. But again, no photographers and no forum hate.

TL;DR: the roads around here are twisty and not everyone rides within their limits. Some people should take the bus instead.

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Around here you would get run off by LEO's for being an "attractive nuisance" or for just being setup on the side of the road period.
Attractive nuisance doesn't mean what you think it means. The land on the West side of US129 in Deal's Gap is controlled by TVA, which has very specific land use rules. The photographers are legally A-OK.
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:45 PM   #4212
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Darryl is a hell of a rider; quick, smooth and good judgment. You can armchair-quarterback him all you like, but he's highly respected in these parts as a rider.

Some people do hotdog for the roadside photographers so they probably catch a disproportionate number of crashes. However, there are crashes all over the Gap all the time that are not caught by cameras. If you are so easily distracted that you crash because someone took your picture, you need to consider whether you should continue riding or perhaps take the bus instead.

Several people die on the Cherohala every year (if you don't mind losing your license, a sportbike can run the ton from Tellico Plains to Robbinsville) but you don't hear much about it. A lot of people have also died on NC28; it's got some unexpectedly tight and occasionally dirty corners. But again, no photographers and no forum hate.

TL;DR: the roads around here are twisty and not everyone rides within their limits. Some people should take the bus instead.

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Attractive nuisance doesn't mean what you think it means. The land on the West side of US129 in Deal's Gap is controlled by TVA, which has very specific land use rules. The photographers are legally A-OK.
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:35 PM   #4213
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So is Killboy giving squids a few helpful tips on how to ride "The Dragon", the moral equivalent of Blue Boy Magazine giving Cub Scouts a tube of KY jelly and a free bus ride to the NAMBLA convention?

Just askin...
The squids aren't the ones that are going to be taking his advice/tips. They are too good for that... The ones that are willing to learn and are coming from parts of this country that don't have roads like this may actually get some benefit from his tips. If he caused one person to not wreck, I say it was worth the little time he spent throwing those tips on his page, but please go back to your negative way of thinking instead of trying to help out your fellow riders.
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:39 PM   #4214
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The land on the West side of US129 in Deal's Gap is controlled by TVA, which has very specific land use rules. The photographers are legally A-OK.
The last I heard and saw, they got permission from the NPS to shoot on the park side as well.
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The last I heard and saw, they got permission from the NPS to shoot on the park side as well.
Actually, they are almost certainly within the highway easement and not on TVA or park property.
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