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Old 11-20-2011, 02:39 PM   #4261
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Didn't say that there was.

But you added your comment to someone who was, hence my response.

But I think it's safe to say that 99.9% of the motorcyclists on that stretch of 129 are there specifically to ride "the dragon" and realize that there will likely be photographers.

Yes, and we are seeing the 1% that don't!

My comment alluded to the idea of blaming photographers for causing wrecks.

I never "blamed" anyone, except the folks who aren't paying attention to what they are doing, riding.

A guy in a lawn chair on the side of the road doesn't cause accidents.

I haven't seen to many folks hanging out for no particular reason on the side of twisty mountain roads.

People showing off for the camera and riding above their abilities or not paying attention the task at hand are the reasons.

Fixed the last one for ya!
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Old 11-20-2011, 02:50 PM   #4262
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Did anyone count the number of times the rider crossed over the double yellow? That to me indicates he was going to fast and could not control it.

As for the responders, I couldn't agree with you more. They should have been taking pictures of the wreck.

Reading the first sentence I'd think you were joking but after reading the second...maybe not.
Just in case you're serious...It's a race. The road is shut down for the race and both lanes are in play.

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I still don't understand what was in his mind with the line he took on that corner though.
Looks like he never even tried to make the turn...


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It all falls on the rider, IMO, not the photogs.



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And if the cameras weren't an issue then why do they catch so many wrecks? Coincidence I suppose...
I think a little more than coincidence. Maybe it's the toughest curve on the dragon? I suspect not judging from some of the pics of tractor trailers stuck in tighter curves on the road.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:22 PM   #4263
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They absolutely contribute.

The first time I happened upon a pro photographer in my face at the Gap with his van and advertising splashed on the side I blew the corner. Nothing bad happened except crossing the center line. Kinda thought it was a LEO. More embarassing than anything getting my photo on the front page for all of my forum brothers to critique.

They should post up warnings or something so it doesn't come as such a surprise.
If seeing a photographer makes you lose control of your bike, what would you do if it was a LEO? Or a body lying at the edge of the road due to a heart attack? Or a good looking woman wearing a short skirt? Or........

If you aren't in control of your bike its no one's fault but your own. If seeing something unexpected causes you to lose control I really wonder what you're doing on the roads; they're full of unexpected shit.

And a sign? Common, you might react badly to the sign and then we'd need a sign to say there's a sign ahead.

Reminds me of the comments about a video on Mulholland of a bike wiping out on a corner because he freaked out when he saw a cop stopped on the opposite side. Many people blamed the cop for being on the road. I blame the rider for freaking out.

Ride within your limits or pay the consequences but don't blame the distraction for your poor riding.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:29 PM   #4264
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Feh, there are times where I'm not paying attention at all...it happens to everybody.

Sometimes it seems you're REALLY vulnerable to distractions...that time to take a rest.
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Old 11-20-2011, 04:39 PM   #4265
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Did anyone count the number of times the rider crossed over the double yellow? That to me indicates he was going to fast and could not control it.

As for the responders, I couldn't agree with you more. They should have been taking pictures of the wreck.
Bryan is an off road racer was doing a Hill Climb for the first time.........

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Old 11-20-2011, 05:08 PM   #4266
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So what you're saying is that prior warning to a camera being stuck in your face wouldn't be productive? It should be expected up there but it's still unnerving.

And if the cameras weren't an issue then why do they catch so many wrecks? Coincidence I suppose.... But if it weren't for those grisly snapshots we wouldn't have this wonderful thread for all of us pro riders around here to bicker about.
Just saying that it'll be a distraction either way. It'll either cause you to be looking for the photog or you'll be "surprised" by the photog.

I've got a riding buddy and we occasionally "leap frog," stop ahead of the other guy, get off and take pics. Even though I KNOW he's going to be around a turn ahead of me it often still causes me to come around a turn, see him and be distracted by it.

The answer as to why so many people wad up for the camera is either that they're "surprised" by the photog or hamming it up for the photog. Either way it's a distraction. (It's still the RIDER's responsiblity not to biff though.)

I think I read it in a post somewhere here but I recall a post by someone who did a track day who had a great quote from a track photog. It went something along the lines of "If you want to see some great crash pics then be sure to look for me taking pictures out there."
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Old 11-20-2011, 06:11 PM   #4267
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If seeing a photographer makes you lose control of your bike, what would you do if it was a LEO? Or a body lying at the edge of the road due to a heart attack? Or a good looking woman wearing a short skirt? Or........

If you aren't in control of your bike its no one's fault but your own. If seeing something unexpected causes you to lose control I really wonder what you're doing on the roads; they're full of unexpected shit.

And a sign? Common, you might react badly to the sign and then we'd need a sign to say there's a sign ahead.

Reminds me of the comments about a video on Mulholland of a bike wiping out on a corner because he freaked out when he saw a cop stopped on the opposite side. Many people blamed the cop for being on the road. I blame the rider for freaking out.

Ride within your limits or pay the consequences but don't blame the distraction for your poor riding.


Short of shining lazers in your eyes, or similar, what is on the side of the road should never be your issue unless it is moving onto the road.

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Old 11-20-2011, 07:35 PM   #4268
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I stand corrected regarding his lane selection but based on what I read in this thread previously, taking pictures instead of trying to keep the victim calm is acceptable.

It allows us all to Monday Morning quarterback and critique every aspect of this rider's ride and mock him/her for all of eternity. (Sarcasm off).
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Old 11-20-2011, 07:37 PM   #4269
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Bryan is an off road racer was doing a Hill Climb for the first time.........

Is he okay?
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:23 PM   #4270
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Is he okay?
Not according to the idiot on the video.

I would have punched that fucker in the face.
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:46 PM   #4271
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Is he okay?
He posted the vid. If you watch the vid to the end there is a LIST of the broken/punctured body parts.
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:24 PM   #4272
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Short of shining lazers in your eyes, or similar, what is on the side of the road should never be your issue unless it is moving onto the road.

Jim
No, it should never be an issue - but too many times, apparently, it is!
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:27 PM   #4273
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Or a good looking woman wearing a short skirt?
You nailed it - number 1 cause of accidents world wide
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:57 AM   #4274
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Not according to the idiot on the video.

I would have punched that fucker in the face.
No shit. That guy was in near shock / panic himself.
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:46 AM   #4275
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He posted the vid. If you watch the vid to the end there is a LIST of the broken/punctured body parts.

Yeah I saw that, bleeding on the brain was what I was wondering about.
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