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Old 04-10-2012, 10:23 AM   #9706
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Sadly, many Harley dealerships are much more interested in selling a "lifestyle accessory" than a motorcycle. I see too many first time riders with a big bike who wind up being disappointed or getting hurt. All of the big "powersports" dealerships have this problem, but the allure of the iconic all American motorcycle turns normally sensible CPA's and cubicle workers into starry eyed, hard rider wannabes, who can't be bothered with working their way up to the level of skill and judgement necessary to ride safely on roads filled with near zombie drivers.
All this may be accurate, but as a manufacturer HD offers more for new riders in the US than any other mfg..... http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...n-to-ride.html
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:37 AM   #9707
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All this may be accurate, but as a manufacturer HD offers more for new riders in the US than any other mfg..... http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...n-to-ride.html

oh puh-leeze.....
it's the MSF BRC with additional training in accessory purchases, financing, and clothing.

pretty much every manufacturer offers cash incentives for taking training.

Triumph for example: http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/mo...rider-training
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:47 AM   #9708
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Wrong-O Holmes!

I love my airhead and I think the HP-2 was awesome. I'm just not a fan of over priced Chinese bikes, and I think BMW is trying to expand the market by falsely promoting "SAFETY" by technology as a selling feature to noobs who really shouldn't be riding motorcycles. Harley does it too, but they tend to ride slower.

shit ...maybe i got you mixed up with IheartmyNX for a second
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:57 AM   #9709
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:02 AM   #9710
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You did ask a question in your post.

I have another for you:

Why did you feel the urge to defend the virtue of the video poster and criticize other people's contribution here?
Because everyone here was speculating/hypothesizing to varying (and contradictory) degrees without bothering to go to the primary source and at least quote the guy.

It doesn't mean the guy wasn't wrong, or misremembered it, or wasn't making excuses. I just figured that if people wanted to throw their opinions out there, might as well be fair and quote the guy who was actually there.

Note that this isn't the first time this has happened in the thread... heck, probably the fourth or fifth time I've read people going off about somebody's riding without stopping to check another account (or listen, when the rider is an ADV member and comes on in and goes, "Ummm, guys, it wasn't like that at all...").
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:12 AM   #9711
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Because everyone here was speculating/hypothesizing to varying (and contradictory) degrees without bothering to go to the primary source and at least quote the guy.

It doesn't mean the guy wasn't wrong, or misremembered it, or wasn't making excuses. I just figured that if people wanted to throw their opinions out there, might as well be fair and quote the guy who was actually there.

Note that this isn't the first time this has happened in the thread... heck, probably the fourth or fifth time I've read people going off about somebody's riding without stopping to check another account (or listen, when the rider is an ADV member and comes on in and goes, "Ummm, guys, it wasn't like that at all...").
Given the fact that he wasn't turning his head to look through the curve, I don't buy the rider's explanation at all. Excessive speed, caused by too late/insufficient braking before the curve, and target fixation on the side of the road instead of looking where he wanted to go. I didn't see any indication that the bike "stood up," only that he headed for his apex too soon (bad line, too).

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Old 04-10-2012, 11:30 AM   #9712
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Bunch of experts in this thread.

You do know, if you click on the Youtube video you'll see he left the explanation on his video?
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The bike stood up momentarily during corner entry causing me to go wide. As I was doing what I could to correct my line, I hit a woodchip near the white line that washed out the front tire causing me to crash.
Given that he WASN'T riding like a squid (how squiddish can a guy be on a 125??), I'll take his word for it.
Never said he was being squidly, just that he was pushing beyond his comfort zone.

And his explanation is BS. He was way off the apex on the RHander before, wheels never got out of the center of the lane, then never drifted R to set up the left. he entered the left from the center of the lane and never moved toward the apex. He never got close to the yellow line before he rode off the edge of the road. Which as described by others, was likely due to target fixation and failure to look WHERE you want to go.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:48 AM   #9713
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Because everyone here was speculating/hypothesizing to varying (and contradictory) degrees without bothering to go to the primary source and at least quote the guy.
The primary source is the video. To anyone experienced at riding, it tells more than a thousand words from even the person involved, who may not have made an accurate deduction of the event ("Ah had to lay'er down" etc.).
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:01 PM   #9714
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The video's don't show elevation changes very well.

This is a down grade curve with a up hill leaving.

You really must turn your head hard left to carry normal speed thru.

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Old 04-10-2012, 12:02 PM   #9715
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:13 PM   #9716
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:30 PM   #9717
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Treads don't look rounded enough-- are they car treads?
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:39 PM   #9718
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Yeah, because he's not on duty, and he's on a cop bike, people will see him, right? I don't know what policy is, but practice around here is to wear as much gear as they're comfortable. This guy was on the way to work- I'm sure he's glad he was wearing the jacket instead of stuffing it in the luggage. Click photo for larger... Click for Story
A block away from the Police Dept.....

http://www.eastbayri.com/news/2012/a...icer-injured-/
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:35 PM   #9719
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:36 PM   #9720
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