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Old 11-29-2012, 12:16 PM   #3076
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Well it is a business deduction. Nice to have Lord Obama pay for it!
It's always about President Obama for the haters. I guess you missed the title of this thread.

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Old 11-29-2012, 01:02 PM   #3077
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Well it is a business deduction. Nice to have Lord Obama pay for it!
It's always about President Obama for the haters. I guess you missed the title of this thread.

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No, no what it mean is with a socialist in th WH;
I'm pleased to pass some of the expense on to him.

After all it is "sharing" the wealth


BTW - You signed "asshole". What an odd name!
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:09 PM   #3078
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Well it is a business deduction. Nice to have Lord Obama pay for it!
It's always about President Obama for the haters. I guess you missed the title of this thread.

Asshole

No, no what it mean is with a socialist in th WH;
I'm pleased to pass some of the expense on to him.

After all it is "sharing" the wealth


BTW - You signed "asshole". What an odd name!
O.K., we can "socialism" to the list of things you don't understand.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:12 PM   #3079
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"asshole". What an odd name!
A bit unusual, but quite fitting in your case. If you can't compete with all the pseudo Neocon shit stains in CSM, as they battle each other for the "world's biggest asshole" title, please keep trying. Until then, keep your tiny little opinions to yourself, as the adults have no interest in assholes like you shitting on a great thread.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:34 PM   #3080
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A bit unusual, but quite fitting in your case. If you can't compete with all the pseudo Neocon shit stains in CSM, as they battle each other for the "world's biggest asshole" title, please keep trying. Until then, keep your tiny little opinions to yourself, as the adults have no interest in assholes like you shitting on a great thread.


Well first I did not "shit" al over this thread. I mearly replied to a rude comment. It is however, nice to see
there are now TWO Proctologists in this forum

Good bye boys. Gotta run
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:36 PM   #3081
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A bit unusual, but quite fitting in your case. If you can't compete with all the pseudo Neocon shit stains in CSM, as they battle each other for the "world's biggest asshole" title, please keep trying. Until then, keep your tiny little opinions to yourself, as the adults have no interest in assholes like you shitting on a great thread.


Well first I did not "shit" al over this thread. I mearly replied to a rude comment. It is however, nice to see
there are now TWO Proctologists in this forum

Goodbye boys. Gotta run
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:03 PM   #3082
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I still wish he had english wheeled the top sheetmetal to give it a smooth radius. Esp. the front edge.
I think it's a resto.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:40 PM   #3083
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Goodbye boys. Gotta run
The loss of your contributions will be quit a blow to the overall quality of this thread. Please keep us updated as to your future contibutions elsewhere. Personally, I find your departure nearly unbearable, but I'll get through this trying time
Adios............... BTW, nice double post, douche.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:43 PM   #3084
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I've always loved the idea of a Wanderlodge but 40'+ and 44,000 pounds doesn't really fit with my use of an RV. However...... is yours one of the shorter ones? How does it handle? What driveline? Any more photos?
that (in the picture) is a wanderlodge FC 33 or 35, it weighs about 29,000 pounds empty and the drivetrain is a 3208 cat diesel with either an Allison 4 speed auto, or, if one of the later ones, a ZF 5 speed auto

mine is an 82 and has a 250 HP turbo 3208 and a 4 speed auto, they get about 7 to 8 mpg but I have not measured it myself
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:44 PM   #3085
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From JOZ: I've always loved the idea of a Wanderlodge but 40'+ and 44,000 pounds doesn't really fit with my use of an RV. However...... is yours one of the shorter ones? How does it handle? What driveline? Any more photos?

1985 BlueBird FC33. BB during this timeframe used the "All American" school bus chassis and frame as the foundation of the RV. A division of BB, Wanderlodge, converted the partially finished school bus shell into an high end motorcoach...as I have been told, these coaches were available in 31', 33' and 33' and ranged from the mid/upper 100's to low $200,000 in 1985 dollars! The build and component quality is stunning, and the dash and overhead controls/meters/altimeter are real neat, like over 20 switches and maybe 14 guages - and that shining paint is 27 year old Imron, apparantly an optional upgrade.

Entire coach is built like a tank. A CAT3208 turbo gives a rated 250 HP via a 4 speed Allison transmission, about 8-8.5 MPH on the flats. Comfortable cruise speed is 60-63, max about 68-72 at governed redline of 2600RPM. Not a rocket getting up to speed. Easy to drive, wife does it with no issues at all...a semi passing you make almost no impact on steering. I have heard of these coaches running off a road and going on the side, being wrighted up and being driven away. Has seating for 12 with seatbelts...2 front, 6 on opposing front couches, 4 at dinette. The rear bedroom has two twin beds. Sleeps 4 really well, 5 if you pull out the front left side couch into a double. Seating is leather, Corian on countertops and dinette and vanity in bath.

You see a lot of neglected older RV's out there...so this was a true find for our family...owned by a real bus lover and it shows. Like a time machine of the 80's...no slide rooms, no big 60" TV, but she runs well and takes us where we want to go. We went to a NACAR race once where a contact got me a nice RV parking pass...were sitting between million dollar MCI's and Prevosts...and had a line of owners wanting a look at our coach.

If you want info...see the Wanderlodge Owners Group for starts.






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Old 11-29-2012, 06:33 PM   #3086
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Well first I did not "shit" al over this thread. I mearly replied to a rude comment. It is however, nice to see
there are now TWO Proctologists in this forum

Goodbye boys. Gotta run
Ahhh, whatever will they do without a teatard around to turn virtually any subject to their dislike of POTUS...

Take your mis-understanding of the word socialism and your misguided idea that the progressive tax code is a recent innovation, and go ass-fuck yourself with a cactus. Please.

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Old 11-29-2012, 06:39 PM   #3087
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I got a message from a buddy....."Hey. Somebody took a video of you driving on your last RV camping trip."



Just shows how little it takes to tear these things apart.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:42 PM   #3088
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Here is a question for all ya'all gurus.

Thinking about moving from travel trailer to motorhome in the next few years. Part of the motivation would be the ability to tow a Jeep with me for off-road excursions, and part of the motivation is that the ol' lady doesn't really like driving our tow rig as her every day car. Nor does she like driving my old Jeep. So, I'm faced with decent tow rig, PLUS a car for her. Or, ditch the tow rig, get her a car, and go motorhome.

Question is, what is the thought as far as age and value, and the sweetspot intersection of the 2?

New is obviously outrageous, too old and vacations can easily be turned into a wrenching festival on the side of the road.

From what I've been seeing, value seems to take a huge dive around the 5 year mark, and then again at 10 years.

So, generally speaking, seems like options are
A) New, high $$$
B) older than 5 years, half price
C) older than 10 years, 75% discount

Those of you who have been tooling around in these for years, how much difference do you think there is between a 5 year old rig and 10 years old? Assuming both are nicely cared for, and moderately utilized for their age.

At what age do all the non-residential quality items really start crapping out?

I'm thinking Class A, the sort you normally see for $200k new, $100k 5 years old, and $50k once they get past the 10 year mark.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:18 AM   #3089
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For what it is worth. You can find some very much better built brands of coaches, that don't use wood construction in the walls, and ceilings. 5 years ago the RV industry was maybe at it's peak of production numbers and many companies are gone today. As to the price dive, it has gotten very hard to finance RV's over 10 years old. Cash buyers for those old classic quality coaches drive the market. The consignment lots are full of coaches that will never bring the money. We looked at a perfect Blue Bird, that sold for $70K, and I know the seller wrote a check to his bank for another $50K.

Blue Bird Wanderlodges, Prevots, Foretravels, Newells, and couple of other brands build steel framed coaches. That is not just the running gear frame that you might have seen being driven down the road to some RV company. Most RV are built on some other companies frame, like Roadmaster, Freightliner, Spartan, Ford or GMC. Then the RV company builds and fastens the floors, walls, ceiling and end caps. All of those are subject to the problems and leaks do to age.

I looked hard at Wanderlodges, and Foretravel on Foretravel chassis, and settled on a 18 year old classic, that was over $200K new, when many RV were less than half that cost. My coach has a full steel unibody frame system, and fiberglass roof. Prices are 10-15 cents on the dollar for Foretravel's. History shows lots of them with 100-300K miles of travel, with happy owners. Mine has 110K, and is squeak, rattle, and leak free. Interior is sold walnut, or walnut plywood, full extension Accuglide drawer glides, Corian counters, 50 amp when most are 30 amp, dual furnaces, dual AC, convection mircowave, plus 4 burner and oven, computer leveling, and metal covers on awnings that cover every window, plus the patio. I have more hp than most coaches of the model year. New Foretravels have transmission retarders for additional braking, smooth wall slides with air bladder seals, not the typical over flange seals and higher hp ratings than other brands as well. I have full under belly pan, and heated basements, and so much more than the typical RV of the age.

Many of the Foretravel owners on the Foreforum would not trade for any other brand, or to get a newer coach, or have come back to Foretravel from newer and bigger multi slide other brands RV's. In addition there is an factory service center in East TX, and a number of other companies in town that also do Foretravel work by old company employees. They have only build about 6600 units in 40+ years, and many were custom built for the original owner. The factory has staff that knows the older classic and I have gotten both fantastic service and help by phone.

Watch out for roofs, a rubber roof is going to be a huge problem, with 5 years being the service life and outside storage kills RV's. Systems are sort of the same, with the better coaches using house plumbing parts and faucets, better microwaves brands, better door hardware.
RV gas refers are good till they fail, 5-15 years, and many are replaced with residential units for 1/3 the price and run with inverters, and no fire hazard from the RV style system. Roof AC are $1200 each and up, and easy to replace. Furnaces are all from two makers and $700 and easy to replace, same with hot water heaters. Big cost items are slide room repairs, roof replacement. Some of the whole coach heating systems like AquaHot or Webasto that heat the water, the coach and preheat the engine, $7K to replace with a rebuilt. PacBrake ($2K), or Jakebrake, or retarders ($10K) are nice but expensive options hopefully on your new coach.

Service records and a full number of notebooks and binders of all the systems, wiring and plumbing diagrams, add to the price. A two hours walk around and lesson about systems is important. Better is a half to full day and night spent on the back lot to make sure everything works is priceless. I spent 2 days and 3 nights at the sellers place as we went thru the systems and learned where things were located (hidden).

Good luck with your search, you have stepped on a long and slippery slope.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:55 PM   #3090
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Well it is a business deduction. Nice to have Lord Obama pay for it!
It's always about President Obama for the haters. I guess you missed the title of this thread.

Asshole

No, no what it mean is with a socialist in th WH;
I'm pleased to pass some of the expense on to him.

After all it is "sharing" the wealth


BTW - You signed "asshole". What an odd name!

He was calling you an asshole for bringing politics into this thread not once but twice.

And he was right. Anyone that shouts "socialist" in the middle of a non-political RV thread is not only an asshole, but a particularly stupid asshole that doesn't know the meaning of the word. We don't need your politics nor your blind hatred.
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