State bans loud exhausts... fatalities jump 18% in one year!

wiseblood · 03-22-2013, 06:09 AM

....said nobody, ever.

On the other hand:

Michigan had an 18% increase in biker fatalies from 2011 to 2012

Michigan has seen an 18% increase in biker deaths between 2011 and 2012 since removing the mandatory helmet law in April 2012.

The Michigan State say that a year isn’t enough time to determine whether removing the helmet law was the cause of increased motorcycle deaths. Last year, Michigan had an unusual summer — it was hotter and drier than normal with higher temperatures and caused an increase bikers riding.

In 2012, there were 129 biker deaths compared to the 109 deaths in 2011. Whether those deaths could had been prevented by helmets is unknown.

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...-2011-to-2012/

Folks who promoted the change in motorcycle helmet law in Michigan should be really proud of themselves. They struck a blow for freedom, I tell ya.

BanjoBoy · 03-22-2013, 06:25 AM

Don't get the title; "loud exhausts" when the article says helmet laws?

Read much?

Or are you just another biker who dun bumped his head?

1911fan · 03-22-2013, 06:27 AM

Where I grew up, we had helmet laws. My father and I always said that, if the law were repealed, we'd only wear helmets if we were going into town or hitting the highway, but not so much around home.
I owe my life to a helmet, one that gave itself up when my head hit the curb at least twice at 25mph after being center punched by an 88 year old cager who ''didn't see him''. Less than a mile from home.
Sure, it's a choice. One I rethought years ago, and I will continue to wear a helmet regardless of the law. I wear one on the mountain bike too. I read a while back that direct impact to your head at 11mph is enough to kill you or make you a vegetable.
No thanks, I like my life just the way it is. i wonder if there are any statistics on how many helmetless rider fatalities have fewer than 3-5 years riding experience?

1911fan

farmerstu · 03-22-2013, 06:32 AM

said the man from new york city.
whats wrong with the water in that city that makes them want to control every aspect of everyone elses lives?

wiseblood · 03-22-2013, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BanjoBoy

Don't get the title; "loud exhausts" when the article says helmet laws?

Read much?

Or are you just another biker who dun bumped his head?

It's called sarcasm. It was invented in the Northeast, but I've read that nowadays people all over the country are doing it.

Seriously... a lot of the same folks who fight helmet laws also argue that "loud pipes save lives." It's a two-fer.

Bronco638 · 03-22-2013, 06:44 AM

The law doesn't say you CAN'T wear a helmet, just that you don't HAVE to wear one.

wiseblood · 03-22-2013, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmerstu

said the man from new york city.
whats wrong with the water in that city that makes them want to control every aspect of everyone elses lives?

Not every aspect. Take a visit to CSM, and you can read all about folks far from NYC who want to have a say about what people to in the privacy of their own homes.

What's your position? You want to argue that helmet laws do NOT save lives? Make your point.

Bill Harris · 03-22-2013, 06:45 AM

Always worn a helmet, even before helmet laws. It just makes sense. The only time I didn't was in 1966 when I got T-boned-- I was painting the helmet and made a quick and near-fatal trip to the hdwr store for more paint.

--Bill

wiseblood · 03-22-2013, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco638

The law doesn't say you CAN'T wear a helmet, just that you don't HAVE to wear one.

Yup. Actually, to be more precise, the law says you still have to wear a helmet if:

...you are under 21 years old
...have less than 2 years riding experience
...carry less than $20k health insurance policy

Nonetheless, these two things happened in the same year:

Michigan repealed their existing helmet laws for riders not in the above categories. (Or "made it optional" if you prefer.)
18% more riders died

DAKEZ · 03-22-2013, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco638

The law doesn't say you CAN'T wear a helmet, just that you don't HAVE to wear one.

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^ The rider should choose

Offcamber · 03-22-2013, 06:54 AM

Oh look helmet law debate thread....that's new

How's that for sarcasm??

Its not about how many lives it saves its about Government restrictions....how many lives would be saved if they just outlawed motorcycles all together??

wiseblood · 03-22-2013, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAKEZ

The rider should choose

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseblood

Nonetheless, these two things happened in the same year:

Michigan repealed their existing helmet laws for riders not in the above categories. (Or "made it optional" if you prefer.)
18% more riders died

DAKEZ · 03-22-2013, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseblood

....

In 2012, there were 129 biker deaths compared to the 109 deaths in 2011. Whether those deaths could had been prevented by helmets is unknown.

Folks who promoted the change in motorcycle helmet law in Michigan should be really proud of themselves. They struck a blow for freedom, I tell ya.

How many Rider deaths were there? (I am NOT a "biker")

Yes the Folks who promoted the change should be REALLY PROUD!!! Freedom is something worth fighting for.

wiseblood · 03-22-2013, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offcamber

Oh look helmet law debate thread....that's new

How's that for sarcasm??

You need MUCH more practice! A more artful bit of sarcasm might have been:

"Thank you! I'm so glad someone started a thread about helmet laws. It's about time."

At very least:

"Oh, goody! A thread about helmet laws!"

Keep at it. You'll get the swing of it, eventually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Offcamber

Its not about how many lives it saves its about Government restrictions....how many lives would be saved if they just outlawed motorcycles all together??

Oh, goody! Someone has alerted us to the dangers of the "slippery slope!" I'm so glad you brought that up. It's about time.

It's SOO realistic an argument against helmet laws. I mean... helmet laws actually save lives. And, even though nobody in the US has ever gotten anywhere, ever with an ACTUAL law to ban motorcycles, we shouldn't take a chance because in hypothetical-world it COULD happen.

DAKEZ · 03-22-2013, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiseblood

I mean... helmet laws actually save lives.

Save your own life and keep your laws OFF my person.

Laws banning abortions save more lives... Are you against abortion as well?

03-22-2013, 06:09 AM	#1
wiseblood ^OP Hall Monitor Joined: Dec 2008 Location: New York City Oddometer: 8,184	State bans loud exhausts... fatalities jump 18% in one year! ....said nobody, ever. On the other hand: Michigan had an 18% increase in biker fatalies from 2011 to 2012 Michigan has seen an 18% increase in biker deaths between 2011 and 2012 since removing the mandatory helmet law in April 2012. The Michigan State say that a year isn’t enough time to determine whether removing the helmet law was the cause of increased motorcycle deaths. Last year, Michigan had an unusual summer — it was hotter and drier than normal with higher temperatures and caused an increase bikers riding. In 2012, there were 129 biker deaths compared to the 109 deaths in 2011. Whether those deaths could had been prevented by helmets is unknown. http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...-2011-to-2012/ Folks who promoted the change in motorcycle helmet law in Michigan should be really proud of themselves. They struck a blow for freedom, I tell ya. __________________ "Hard Work Often Pays Off After Time, but Laziness Always Pays Off Now." Big Apple Tag-o-Rama Maps: Click Here!

03-22-2013, 06:25 AM	#2
BanjoBoy Studly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2009 Location: Northern CA Oddometer: 629	Don't get the title; "loud exhausts" when the article says helmet laws? Read much? Or are you just another biker who dun bumped his head? __________________ 2007 FJR1300 2007 FZ6 (Dirt bike)

03-22-2013, 06:27 AM	#3
1911fan Master of the Obvious Joined: Aug 2007 Location: North Central Washington Oddometer: 1,649	Where I grew up, we had helmet laws. My father and I always said that, if the law were repealed, we'd only wear helmets if we were going into town or hitting the highway, but not so much around home. I owe my life to a helmet, one that gave itself up when my head hit the curb at least twice at 25mph after being center punched by an 88 year old cager who ''didn't see him''. Less than a mile from home. Sure, it's a choice. One I rethought years ago, and I will continue to wear a helmet regardless of the law. I wear one on the mountain bike too. I read a while back that direct impact to your head at 11mph is enough to kill you or make you a vegetable. No thanks, I like my life just the way it is. i wonder if there are any statistics on how many helmetless rider fatalities have fewer than 3-5 years riding experience? 1911fan __________________ Read The Patriot Post -- It's Right. It's Free. http://patriotpost.us/subscribe/ Sometimes the light to see your way forward is provided by the bridge burning behind you.

03-22-2013, 06:44 AM	#6
Bronco638 Nobody Home Joined: Dec 2004 Location: Itasca, IL Oddometer: 2,903	The law doesn't say you CAN'T wear a helmet, just that you don't HAVE to wear one. __________________ There are some simple thruths......and dogs know what they are - Joseph Duemer Andy holds the lead. And he will, all the way to the Highway. Today is his day.

03-22-2013, 06:45 AM	#8
Bill Harris Confirmed Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2008 Location: backwoods Alabama Oddometer: 3,881	Always worn a helmet, even before helmet laws. It just makes sense. The only time I didn't was in 1966 when I got T-boned-- I was painting the helmet and made a quick and near-fatal trip to the hdwr store for more paint. --Bill __________________ '73 R60/5 Toaster

03-22-2013, 06:32 AM	#4
farmerstu Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2011 Location: Minnesota west central Oddometer: 162	said the man from new york city. whats wrong with the water in that city that makes them want to control every aspect of everyone elses lives?

03-22-2013, 06:54 AM	#11
Offcamber Beastly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2010 Location: New Hampshire Oddometer: 1,117	Oh look helmet law debate thread....that's new How's that for sarcasm?? Its not about how many lives it saves its about Government restrictions....how many lives would be saved if they just outlawed motorcycles all together?? __________________ "I don't ride to be seen....I ride because I want to disappear...." Halfthrottle *"The difference between genius and stupidity is -- genius has its limits."* ~Albert Einstein

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